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Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by mrguyorama »

emiliobumachar wrote: post #590
irq wrote: post #276

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You won’t be able to test drive _the specific car you are buying_ before committing to purchasing it. You’d only be able to test drive another instance of that model, but not the specific one you’d be committing to for X years. This deprives you of the ability to, e.g., avoid purchasing a particular instance of a vehicle that has some annoying defect or flaw.

That's industry standard, isn't it? Who test drives specific new cars before buying? Would you be as okay with buying a new car after is was test-driven by several random strangers?

Have you ever purchased a car through a dealership? When you buy a car off the lot, chances are good many people have test driven it, and unless you have zero anxiety about the purchase, you were one of those people

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by dymk »

dpkonofa wrote: post #356
dymk wrote: post #304

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And if the car could just be delivered to a dealership, you'd be getting the tax credits, and not paying the cost of to-your-house delivery.

They don't charge you extra if you live farther away, though. The delivery fee is charged to you whether they deliver it to the dealership or to your house.

I've never seen a dealership delivery fee over $500, and Tesla is going to charge $1200 to deliver this car to my house.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by dwild »

londons_explore wrote: post #575
turtlegrids wrote: post #245

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It's cheaper to Tesla if they "deliver" it at their factory. I took delivery of my Tesla at the Fremont factory. was still forced to pay full delivery fee. insane.

I wonder what an efficient car delivery service could cost? A car transporter carries 11 cars and can drive say 500 miles per day at a cost of $500 per day (including driver, fuel, and vehicle rental). If the average delivery distance from factory to customer is 1500 miles, then transport cost works out to $136. Add to that the 'last mile delivery' which is probably going to involve a $20 per hour employee driving to…

> A car transporter carries 11 cars and can drive say 500 miles per day at a cost of $500 per day (including driver, fuel, and vehicle rental).

That feel to me awfully low. Can you be more specific on how you get to $500 for all that? Renting a car can cost me more than 100$ a day for similar distances. I can't imagine 11x that would cost less than half of it and on top of that include the wage of someone that have to drive full time.

That's barely his cost and doesn't consider anything else (administrative and etc..). I feel like it would be closer to 1500$ a day.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by mrguyorama »

LandR wrote: post #622
tomjakubowski wrote: post #441

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> Most people less that 40 barely have a liquid cash of 50K. If you're talking about the US, this is the greatest understatement I've seen in some time. I don't have a very good source handy, but for the median American under 40, try more like "$1,000".

> try more like "$1,000". Wow. Given your healthcare system and the potential costs of being ill combined with having such a low amount of savings / safety money. Losing your job could potentially terrifying in the US. How do people live what that level of stress continunally? I could lose my job tomorrow and live for 4-5 years on savings and I'm not comfortable with that amount and occasionally find myself worrying…

>How do people live what that level of stress continunally?

They have no other choice. Education is far too expensive to better yourself and train for a better career, everything is designed to suck every possible penny from those with less money than average, and if you don't work your ass off to pay what you can, you die on the street because we have no safety net. Being poor is a treadmill. If you were born poor and don't get absurdly lucky, you can look forward to being poor forever and passing that great experience onto your possible children.

Welcome to America, land of the free I guess

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by boznz »

camjohnson26 wrote: post #253
nickik wrote: post #208

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I don't think they currently had to do this, they have just started delivery in Europe and China and there is significant demand for the higher priced models so that they could continue to do this. I see it more as them wanting to show again that they could build up a huge order backlog as that something that pretty much no other car company can do. That would help them with the market and potential future loans.

Demand has collapsed in the US for model 3 and looks incredibly weak in Europe and China at this point. There is no reason for this across the board price cut other than weak demand.

As a person on the list since 2016 with a tentative delivery date of late 2019 I respectfully think you are pulling this statement out of your arse.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by mikeash »

m463 wrote: post #498
mikeash wrote: post #204

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What’s immersive about having a bunch of dials and gauges in front of you?

I've driven the model 3 and the model S (which both present the same information). I think the dashboard of the model S puts good information in your line of sight. In comparison, using the model 3 display seems a little like trying to use your cellphone while driving. As to dials and guages, I'm not trying to pin it down to that. Just driving information in your line of sight. I could also say a HUD would be cool to…

I own both. Neither one has the information really in your line of sight (nor does any other car, unless they have HUDs). You have to move your eyes in a different direction, but it’s about the same effort. It takes a minute to get used to looking diagonally instead of down, and then it’s business as usual.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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BoorishBears wrote: post #136
BenoitEssiambre wrote: post #37

"To achieve these prices while remaining financially sustainable, Tesla is shifting sales worldwide to online only. You can now buy a Tesla in North America via your phone in about 1 minute, and that capability will soon be extended worldwide. We are also making it much easier to try out and return a Tesla, so that a test drive prior to purchase isn’t needed. You can now return a car within 7 days or 1,000 miles for…

“Courageous” If anyone has ever had to cancel a car sale you’ll realize how much of a hassle it truely is to “return a car” Your credit report will show a loan even after it’s been cancelled for weeks. I once cancelled financing for a car due to it not being as described. Started looking for a new car and found it. Got denied for a loan because my score showed a 60k loan with 0 payments made. It took almost 2 months…

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Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by resters »

BoorishBears wrote: post #136
BenoitEssiambre wrote: post #37

"To achieve these prices while remaining financially sustainable, Tesla is shifting sales worldwide to online only. You can now buy a Tesla in North America via your phone in about 1 minute, and that capability will soon be extended worldwide. We are also making it much easier to try out and return a Tesla, so that a test drive prior to purchase isn’t needed. You can now return a car within 7 days or 1,000 miles for…

“Courageous” If anyone has ever had to cancel a car sale you’ll realize how much of a hassle it truely is to “return a car” Your credit report will show a loan even after it’s been cancelled for weeks. I once cancelled financing for a car due to it not being as described. Started looking for a new car and found it. Got denied for a loan because my score showed a 60k loan with 0 payments made. It took almost 2 months…

Tesla could delay executing the loan for the first week to avoid the inconvenience you describe. Typical dealers want to execute the loan immediately because accepting a return is extremely rare, but for Tesla it's part of the business model to avoid needing a dealership in the first place, so it would make sense to set up the accounting in a way where the loan is locked in but not executed until the return period is over.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by camjohnson26 »

boznz wrote: post #665
camjohnson26 wrote: post #253

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Demand has collapsed in the US for model 3 and looks incredibly weak in Europe and China at this point. There is no reason for this across the board price cut other than weak demand.

As a person on the list since 2016 with a tentative delivery date of late 2019 I respectfully think you are pulling this statement out of your arse.

Well we won’t know until they post Q1 results but they said yesterday they’re expecting a loss now, downgrading from initial plans to post a tiny profit. General consensus is that the halving of the federal tax credit drove down Q1 demand significantly.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by sjm-yc-acct »

mikeash wrote: post #666
m463 wrote: post #498

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I've driven the model 3 and the model S (which both present the same information). I think the dashboard of the model S puts good information in your line of sight. In comparison, using the model 3 display seems a little like trying to use your cellphone while driving. As to dials and guages, I'm not trying to pin it down to that. Just driving information in your line of sight. I could also say a HUD would be cool to…

I own both. Neither one has the information really in your line of sight (nor does any other car, unless they have HUDs). You have to move your eyes in a different direction, but it’s about the same effort. It takes a minute to get used to looking diagonally instead of down, and then it’s business as usual.

Thanks, this is an interesting insight. Still, looking at aircraft with flat screen "glass cockpits" without HUD, they tend to follow the Model S pattern:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Citation_Mustang#/media...

Critical displays and controls in front of the pilot, other controls readily accessible by feel/muscle memory. Aircraft designers tend to be very conservative due to safety, but cars involve safety considerations too--which is why I think car designers do tend to stick to standard configurations.

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