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Post by pessimizer »

tagoregrtst wrote: post #377
corry wrote: post #293

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Quarantine != "barred". Perhaps inconvenient to the point of rethinking the trip, yes, but that's different than a citizen being denied the right of return by their government. And even that inconvenience can be removed with a free, safe shot that takes 30 seconds to get for those that aren't prevented by some other health condition.

I literally said “de facto”. A 14 day quarantine when one has 10 days vacation a year is de facto a bar. Nor did I argue, or am interested in arguing, the merits of banning the unvaccinated. I just stated that they are effectively banned from entry.

There are probably about 100 other reasons they can be banned from entry if they don't comply. Saying they are "banned" if they don't get a vaccination (even though of course it's not a ban, it's a "de facto" ban) is no more interesting than if they're "banned" if they won't submit to a search, or if they've filled their car with fruit.

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Post by throwaway894345 »

TurningCanadian wrote: post #576
throwaway894345 wrote: post #372

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> Quarantine != "barred". Perhaps inconvenient to the point of rethinking the trip, yes, The original quote was "de facto barred". If something is "inconvenient to the point that it makes the trip infeasible" it's pretty much as good as barring entry. > And even that inconvenience can be removed with a free, safe shot that takes 30 seconds to get for those that aren't prevented by some other health condition. I'm vax…

First, vaccines do inhibit transmission. They're not perfect, and the protection begins to wane after a few months, but to say that they don't inhibit transmission is false. Further, the vaccines have consistently significantly reduced hospitalization, and most Canadian hospitals continue to be stretched with a long backlog. The continued strain from COVID hospitalizations continues to impact others. Freedom has alwa…

> First, vaccines do inhibit transmission. They're not perfect, and the protection begins to wane after a few months, but to say that they don't inhibit transmission is false.

I was a little imprecise--I don't think the transmission inhibiting effect is literally zero, but I suspect it's marginal (based on US health officials remarks about 'everyone is going to get omicron' https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday...).

> Freedom has always been limited when it interferes with the rights of others, (in this case timely access to healthcare) and borders have always had stricter rules than normal life within a country.

I can't take this argument seriously while Canada tolerates so many other things that increase one's risk of consuming hospital resources (drinking, smoking, driving, etc) and fails to mandate other things which would similarly reduce load on hospitals (diet, exercise, etc). In these other cases, it's regarded as the responsibility of the government to provide enough healthcare to meet demand--not to infringe on the rights of citizens.

> We're in a gray area here, granted. Ideally ones' own health choices would not impact others, and hospitals would be back to normal, but the restrictions are not nonsense.

I think we left the gray area when it became clear that COVID would be endemic and vaccines don't do much to reduce transmission.

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Post by smnrchrds »

tablespoon wrote: post #619
smnrchrds wrote: post #584

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> there is no violence, and no obvious danger A number of illegal weapons, high capacity magazines, and a large quantity of ammunition were seized in a blockade in Alberta. I would not be surprised if there are people with weapons in Ottawa as well, waiting for an opportunity to strike. https://globalnews.ca/news/8618494/alberta-coutts-border-pro...

> A number of illegal weapons...were seized in a blockade in Alberta. > https://globalnews.ca/news/8618494/alberta-coutts-border-pro... Your link doesn't describe anything as "illegal weapons." It just says "long guns" and "handguns" which are both pretty broad terms that undoubtedly encompass guns that are legal in Canada.

Handguns require a license to transport (ATT). Even if they were acquired legally (and that's a very big if because of RPAL), their presence at the border is very illegal.

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Post by honkdaddy »

ar_turnbull wrote: post #622
honkdaddy wrote: post #613

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A direct quote from the Ottawa police chief: "We don’t have any direct linkage between the occupation—the demonstrators—and that act." [1] [1] https://www.cpac.ca/episode?id=fa5721d6-af8b-48d9-9848-73dcf...

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That's fine, you have every right to your suspicions, but unless you feel you have better information about the incident than the police that investigated it, I'm not really sure what your comment adds. The GP made the claim that protestors in Ottawa tried to burn a condo down and a quote from the police chief proves this to be false.

This is one of several accounts I use because my personal identity is tied to my main account, and accusations like the above concern me when I know there are vigilantes out there who find joy in doxing people with different political leanings than them. Rest assured I've been a member of this community since 2014, I'm not one of the dreaded "alt-right trolls" some users are so comically paranoid of.

On that note, I'm not really sure what's alt-right about repeating a quote from an investigating officer, but then again, most people who use that phrase aren't being intellectually honest anyway.

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Post by micromacrofoot »

tagoregrtst wrote: post #609
micromacrofoot wrote: post #501

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The vaccine reserved for you did not go to the third world instead.

I’ll help your argument out and make it stronger (because “reserved” vaccines have indeed been shipped overseas): Once a vial is opened the vaccines contained therein can’t be shipped overseas and will expire in a few hours. I could therefore wait outside a Walgreens before closing and get the shot. Except Im not a utilitarian. I cannot take what is rightfully another’s just because they cant enjoy it. I believe that…

Do you only do this for vaccines? other medical treatment? food? water?

I don't know where to draw the line myself, so I wonder what kind of rules you set for yourself. This sounds like one of the most extreme examples I've heard.

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Post by rpeden »

cf100clunk wrote: post #461
blast wrote: post #445

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I didn't downvote you, but you're using extreme language like "torture" (I know noise and sleep deprivation are associated with torture but this sort of verbal escalation is not objective) and the only in-depth reporting I've seen on the arson thing makes it seem completely debunked: https://twitter.com/jonkay/status/1490557119816425474 (or https://twitter.com/jonkay/status/1490525934948081666 - I'm not sure what the…

> this sort of verbal escalation is not objective Objectively, the sonic onslaught of their constantly blaring truck horns is equal in effect to well-known psychological warfare tactics. It is fair and accurate to call it torture in this context.

Even worse, it wasn't just truck horns. There were several trucks driving around with train horns installed. And plenty of the apartments in Centretown are right up against the street.

I don't think making 80+ decibels of noise 10 feet from people's windows is even an okay way to protest, no matter who you are or what your cause is.

I used to live in this neighbourhood, right by Somerset and Metcalfe. Protests happened all the time. Some of them were anti-government, even. And none of them launched this kind of sustained assault against innocent citizens. I get the sense a lot of them think they're sticking it to the liberal elite, or something like that. But really - Centretown is (or was when I lived there, at least) one of the more affordable parts of Ottawa.

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Post by DocTomoe »

chucksta wrote: post #600
ar_turnbull wrote: post #570

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> "there is no violence, and no obvious danger." This is false and I would expect better of HN posters. A group of the protestors locked the doors to a downtown apartment building with handcuffs and then attempted to set that building on fire. Although nobody has been injured yet, there have been plenty of weapons seizures as well as incidents of protestors ramming police vehicles and/or attempting to arrest police o…

With a couple rouge agents being your definition of obvious danger, there can never be another protest. Apply that same logic to the protests a year before and see how it goes

I feel like that is an understatement. This is not a few good old boys throwing a snowball. It's acts of arson, attempted murder, probably fits the definition of terrorism. And that's just the apartment building incident.

And of course the protests a year before were in no part better.

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Post by sudosysgen »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #575
sudosysgen wrote: post #561

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If your noisy neighbor was setting of a blowhorn with a high duty cycle for multiple days with the express intent to cause harm to you, it would probably be fair to call that some form of assault.

> with the express intent to cause harm Citation?

Do I need a citation that people honking to cause a distrubance intended to disturb?

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Post by honkdaddy »

Naga wrote: post #623
honkdaddy wrote: post #613

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A direct quote from the Ottawa police chief: "We don’t have any direct linkage between the occupation—the demonstrators—and that act." [1] [1] https://www.cpac.ca/episode?id=fa5721d6-af8b-48d9-9848-73dcf...

Oh, so the 'debunking' is not on whether or not an attempted mass murder/arson occurred, but that there is no "direct linkage" between the occupation and the crime. What that likely means is that they don't know who the people in the video are. It seems pretty likely to me that it's related to the occupation, especially since there was a 'confrontation' earlier that day with residents of the building. It's not like b…

That's great that it "seems pretty likely" to you, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Unless you have concrete information which the OPS doesn't have, I don't think speculation is very useful here.

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Post by pessimizer »

logifail wrote: post #460
kstenerud wrote: post #421

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> Not all unvaccinated people end up in a hospital though. So aren't we discriminating against them? We absolutely are, and I applaud the effort. If they were fighting against rabies or measles or tetanus vaccinations, I'd say "Good on you! Do your part to clean out the shallow end of the gene pool." But once their stupidity endangers others, we as civilized people step in and stop them. When unvaccinated COVID patie…

> When unvaccinated COVID patients flood the hospitals [..] In our part of the world, despite eye-watering infection rates over the last few weeks, hospitals are absolutely nowhere near capacity (and that's putting it mildly). Were younger and fitter people really flooding hospitals if they got Covid? Thought the data on age and comorbidities is pretty clear and has been for a while now.[0][1] [0] https://www.thelanc…

Thank God nobody old or frail ever caught the disease from a young fit person.
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