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Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by FpUser »

blast wrote: post #445
eldaisfish wrote: post #420

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>there is no violence, and no obvious danger While there is no outright violence, there is torture to local residents, there was attempted arson, there is continued intimidation and harassment of those wearing masks, there is intimidation of visible minorities, there are attacks on businesses.... Is that enough to convince you that the situation is out of hand and than stricter action is needed? The protestors haven'…

I didn't downvote you, but you're using extreme language like "torture" (I know noise and sleep deprivation are associated with torture but this sort of verbal escalation is not objective) and the only in-depth reporting I've seen on the arson thing makes it seem completely debunked: https://twitter.com/jonkay/status/1490557119816425474 (or https://twitter.com/jonkay/status/1490525934948081666 - I'm not sure what the…

>"...I know noise and sleep deprivation are associated with torture..."

You could stop right there. It is torture. Especially when you consider old frail people.

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Post by Naga »

honkdaddy wrote: post #593
ar_turnbull wrote: post #570

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> "there is no violence, and no obvious danger." This is false and I would expect better of HN posters. A group of the protestors locked the doors to a downtown apartment building with handcuffs and then attempted to set that building on fire. Although nobody has been injured yet, there have been plenty of weapons seizures as well as incidents of protestors ramming police vehicles and/or attempting to arrest police o…

The arson thing was pretty thoroughly debunked. "I would expect better of HN posters."

When was that debunked? The last I heard the police were investigating. I even saw video from it.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/police-arson-unit-probes-otta...

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Post by [deleted] »

honkdaddy wrote: post #593
ar_turnbull wrote: post #570

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> "there is no violence, and no obvious danger." This is false and I would expect better of HN posters. A group of the protestors locked the doors to a downtown apartment building with handcuffs and then attempted to set that building on fire. Although nobody has been injured yet, there have been plenty of weapons seizures as well as incidents of protestors ramming police vehicles and/or attempting to arrest police o…

The arson thing was pretty thoroughly debunked. "I would expect better of HN posters."

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Post by beerandt »

Apocryphon wrote: post #148
abernard1 wrote: post #95

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Because I'm sympathetic to their plight. I'm a class traitor frankly. My whole family works in jobs like this that have been impacted. One of my old co-founders was a 24 big-rig truck mechanic and his dad is being put out of business by the California CARB restrictions. But aside from the specifics, I find it odd that people are decrying cross-national donations of money to causes. Were similar complaints made about…

These protests are a disruption specific to the internal affairs of Canada. The U.S. has long had a dominant power relationship with the rest of the continent. The way that Americans have imposed their views on both sides of this internal conflict is both patronizing and deleterious to the self-determination of the Canadian people. It would be as suspect if one was to donate to the Shining Path, the Contras, the Mede…

>specific to the internal affairs of Canada.

It's a Canada policy, but is specific to crossing the border from the US.

"Specific to internal affairs" is a stretch at best.

>Shining Path, the Contras, the Medellín Cartel, or any other faction.

You forgot BLM.

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Post by adamrezich »

Apocryphon wrote: post #513
adamrezich wrote: post #504

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> Your comment evoked the current Ukraine crisis. this was wholly unintentional, I'm not sure how you read that out of either of my prior comments! we were talking about citizen crowdfunding

> At least foreign policy is something that is germane to those elections. > What do the midterm or general elections in the United States have to do with American citizens sympathizing with and donating money to causes in other countries? That is not an issue that is on the ballot. > This is a complete non sequitur.

why are you quoting yourself to explain how "[my] comment evoked the current Ukraine crisis"? I think we're talking past each other, you really want to connect things to Ukraine and I don't, so I apologize for taking your time.

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Post by alex_anglin »

newsclues wrote: post #588
smnrchrds wrote: post #584

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> there is no violence, and no obvious danger A number of illegal weapons, high capacity magazines, and a large quantity of ammunition were seized in a blockade in Alberta. I would not be surprised if there are people with weapons in Ottawa as well, waiting for an opportunity to strike. https://globalnews.ca/news/8618494/alberta-coutts-border-pro...

Painting with broad strokes is dangerous.

When asking if anyone in the protest had firearms, a journalist was ejected from a news conference. Would have been a good opportunity to disavow violence, but here we are. In this case, it's not so much painting with broad strokes as much as judging by the company they keep.

Source: https://twitter.com/alexboutilier/status/1493319507846176769...

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Post by j_walter »

purephase wrote: post #470
j_walter wrote: post #462

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>A city is being held hostage by an extreme minority and, even in OPs post they mention that the Toronto police handled it properly, but question the admonition levied against the Ottawa police. >The Ottawa police are complicit in this now as well as city council. They sat on their hands while allowing this to spiral out of control, and now want to play the victim or blame others (e.g. blaming counter protesters toda…

Not much media coverage? I saw coverage of it all the time. It was covered as if it was the end of civilization and it continues to push the narrative today that BLM protests were burning cities to the ground across the country. I'm not sure where you're getting this whole idea that there wasn't much media coverage on it. A quick google search shows literally thousands of news stories about it.

Main stream media...I live near Portland and the local news covered very little about it. 30 second clip of the peaceful start...and little about the destruction and chaos that was seen night after night.

Eventually even the local news started showing what was going on when their crew were attacked covering the story. However this happened many times before and they simply left and didn't cover what was happening.

https://katu.com/news/local/police-declare-riot-near-justice...

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Post by jacquesm »

cf100clunk wrote: post #423
redisman wrote: post #406

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There will always be some opportunistic groups looking to cause more mayhem in chaotic situations like this. These protests have been literally “mostly peaceful” no?

I got voted down for saying what you did but in a more terse, direct fashion. Too much heat in here with one-day HNers, yourself excepted.

one-day HN'ers can't downvote (400 Karma threshold)

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Post by tagoregrtst »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #501
tagoregrtst wrote: post #414

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No. It is immoral for a healthy, COVID recovered man to get a vaccine best used in the third world. To travel, and get around my moral qualms, I signed up for a vaccine trial. I was refused or got the placebo.

The vaccine reserved for you did not go to the third world instead.

I’ll help your argument out and make it stronger (because “reserved” vaccines have indeed been shipped overseas):

Once a vial is opened the vaccines contained therein can’t be shipped overseas and will expire in a few hours. I could therefore wait outside a Walgreens before closing and get the shot.

Except Im not a utilitarian. I cannot take what is rightfully another’s just because they cant enjoy it. I believe that all young people should have refused the shot, therefore liberating millions of doses. Mine is but the first (literal) drop in what should be an ocean; and Im actively encouraging my friends to do the moral thing and refuse to get boosted.

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Post by adolph »

jeromegv wrote: post #482
fallingknife wrote: post #446

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Do you have a source on any of that?

If you have family or friends in Ottawa, you know. Here's an interview with a MD in downtown Ottawa, speaking of her and her staff at a medical clinic getting harassed in the street for wearing a mask. https://www.npr.org/2022/02/12/1080354245/health-care-worker...

I read the story. The MD does not claim she or her staff has been harassed. Her one claim is "And a lot of people have been harassed, have been told to take their masks off." The MD also claims "I would say that a huge 18-wheeler is not a peaceful thing to have in the middle of your city" which is weird since large trucks are a primary and pervasive mode of transporting goods nearly everywhere. The story also does not disclose that the interviewee is an Ontario public employee, essentially a spokesperson for the government position, which is in opposition to the protestors.
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