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Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by beardedetim »

sofixa wrote: post #205
defaultname wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Far left"? I'm a conservative. Most normal conservatives are vigorously against these protests, for exactly the same reason that we were against railway blockades, and against violence and mayhem that occurred under the umbrella of BLM protests. I am simply in awe that so many of the same people that were viciously against BLM protests are supporters of this protest. Regardless, the literal stated goal of the organi…

> I am simply in awe that so many of the same people that were viciously against BLM protests are supporters of this protest Where do you think that hypocrisy comes from? I'm across the pond so very far from the action, but I'm very curious how people reason about this.

> Where do you think that hypocrisy comes from?

Me and my brother watched the Super Bowl last night, me rooting for he Rams and him for the Bengals. We saw the same play happen live, resulting in the Bengals getting a penalty for holding and the Rams being awarded free yards.

He saw it as "fucked up" and I saw it as "just".

When the Rams were called for a penalty, the roles were reversed and I felt like the refs were in the pocket of the Bengals for calling such a stupid penalty.

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All that to say: when _my_ team does stuff, it's okay. When _their_ team does stuff, it's bad. This is the same line of reasoning that is being played out with the above hypocrisy.

Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

jollybean wrote: post #374
jeroenhd wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be state sponsored hacking, but I think it's more likely to be don't by someone who got annoyed by the protests. If I had trucks honking in front of my window, I'd do whatever I could to get them to fuck off as well. No need for the state to get involved if you just piss off enough random people.

It's almost assuredly not done by someone who was directly 'annoyed' by the protests, that's a relatively small area, and hackers with skills are not that common. The protests are an ideological touchstone, there are surely a lot of hackers in this world keen on 'exposing terrible people' (in their purview) and my money is on just some random 'hacker'. I'm doubtful that it would be a government action, because those…

>I'm pretty sure there was a de-facto systematic collusion between gov. offisials and GoFundMe etc. to shut down funding

No need to collude or conspire when everyone is already happy with each other's actions and everyone knows what the others want and which actions will step on their toes and which will be neutral or build good will.

Real collusion/conspiracy where there is actual communication between big actors like these is vanishingly rare. Behavior like "we set out price same as our competition's because why undercut each other" is dirt common.

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Post by hunterb123 »

AlimJaffer wrote: post #387

As a Canadian I humbly request Americans stay out of our politics, particularly when it comes to influencing them via monetary donations. Get your own house in order, don't encourage wannabe insurrectionists who had a manifesto to take over the government in blatantly undemocratic ways.

As an American I'd love if we all stayed out of each other's politics, but that's not how the world works, sorry.

That being said, a lot of Americans want freedom everywhere, especially for their neighbors in the north, what's so hard to understand about that?

Btw, your insurrection claim is played out and laughable, there is no violence, use words properly.

I look forward to seeing your comments about our 2022 midterm elections or our 2024 presidential election.

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Post by jollybean »

peeters wrote: post #80
abernard1 wrote: post #45

As one of the donors included in this hack, I am not entirely sure what they're out to accomplish. Despite eye-rolling media mischaracterizations of these truckers as you-know-whats, it's a run of the mill workers strike. It has also been extremely peaceful and frankly comical at times. (We can contrast this with the "fiery yet mostly peaceful protests" of 2020 that negatively affected working class neighborhoods and…

If you're going to attack "media mischaracterizations" let's be truthful. > but because white collar, work-at-home employees are mildly inconvenienced for a week, they're advocating police action against them and calling it an insurrection. "Mildly inconvenienced" is an interesting term for shutting down a border crossing that handles $350 million in trade per day. "Mildly inconvenienced" is an interesting term for r…

If these people are an 'insurrection' then BLM protests during which 25++ people died, was 'seditions rebellion'. [1]

The 'truckers convoy' is completely within the normal framework or populist protest, this is not new, it's common. Farmers used to bring in their tractors to do this.

The people at the border were moved. The people in Ottawa are concentrated downtown, mostly not near housing, and I believe the honking has ben curtailed.

They are now camping out and dancing to The Macarena.

In Portland, an entire section of the city was taken over by armed bandits threatening violence, not letting Police or emergency services in, two people died, people's rights were very seriously curtailed. Now that was a hard problem to solve.

At this point we just have a bunch of angry people in trucks downtown, that's mostly it.

It will eventually peter out and they will go home ...

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-kill...

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Post by mywittyname »

tagoregrtst wrote: post #269
criddell wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is barred? I’ve travelled to Canada to visit family a number of times last year and once so far this year. I have another trip planned for late spring. Canadian citizens enter by right.

Unvaccinated Canadians older than five who have to quarantine for fourteen days. A 14 day quarantine for an endemic virus just as present in Canada as anywhere else is a de facto prohibition.

Quarantine procedures were in place during Zika and Ebola outbreaks as well. And those procedures were substantially more harsh. Major metro hospitals had quarantine facilities brought in for Ebola. Patients were shoved into a mobile field hospital for 14 days. Not a single protest happened for that.

The takeaway here is that none of this is new. People are mostly just pissed off that the quarantine procedures now apply to them. It was a-okay when other people were shoved into isolation tanks because, "that's what happens when you go to Africa."

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Post by redisman »

cf100clunk wrote: post #389
talentedcoin wrote: post #383

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-protest-blocka... Mounties said in a release Monday that they became aware of a small organized group within the larger protest at Coutts. They say they had information that the group had access to a cache of firearms and ammunition. Officers seized long guns, handguns, multiple sets of body armour, a machete, a large quantity of ammunition and high-capacity firearm magaz…

This type of revelation will likely be commonplace in the days/weeks ahead as militant extremists are exposed.

There will always be some opportunistic groups looking to cause more mayhem in chaotic situations like this. These protests have been literally “mostly peaceful” no?

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Post by tagoregrtst »

kstenerud wrote: post #324
tagoregrtst wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unvaccinated Canadians older than five who have to quarantine for fourteen days. A 14 day quarantine for an endemic virus just as present in Canada as anywhere else is a de facto prohibition.

Yes, so they don't contribute to the clogging of hospitals (90% of COVID related hospitalizations are unvaccinated people). Stop being so selfish and get vaccinated.

Im not arguing for or against vaccination. Im just pointing out that some Canadians are de facto barred from entry.

The law also doesn't recognize natural immunity which is not that ineffective, is it?

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Post by penjelly »

msie wrote: post #343
sleepingadmin wrote: post #254

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>"Mildly inconvenienced" is an interesting term for shutting down a border crossing that handles $350 million in trade per day. One lane of the bridge was open and the Detroit tunnel had absolutely no blockade. This is a mild inconvenience. Protests are inconvenient to be sure. If the media you consume portrayed this as if there was no traffic at all between detroit and windsor... time for you to look to new media. I…

> Ottawa has a population of 1 million and their downtown area will always have honking. Like you know... every other downtown area of a large capital city. Calling this 'medically unsafe' is quite a stretch. Our homes are quite insulated here in Canada given the cold. The same insulation reduces road noise a lot. If you cant sleep because of road noise downtown... move because that happens year round. I've had honki…

am Ottawan, live about 6 blocks from 2 of the main blocked roads (parliament and kent street) noise is not bad for me, headphones block it out completely. Theyve stopped honking for the last 5 days too fwiw.

"hell" is an overstatement for something that can easily be ignored with earplugs/headphones.

construction work is certainly worse when its nearby as. it penetrates buildings better and often produces noise for longer periods of time. Though for people living less then 1 block the first 2 weekend days were probably irritating.

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Post by bena »

cudgy wrote: post #382
peter422 wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So is somebody physically blocking a bridge with a giant truck and refusing to move it less militant than somebody pulling their music off Spotify and writing a letter explaining their choice? Why did you use the term “militant” to describe the side that is not using military tactics.

Blocking bridges with trucks and no guns is a military tactic? I believe that is an example of civil disobedience. Words matter.

Yes. Disrupting supply chains is a thing militaries do. Regardless if they used guns or not. Militaries would love to win all conflicts with as few guns as possible. So if they could blockade a country with no guns at all, that would be ideal.

The point being made is that pulling one's music from Spotify is a personal choice about stuff you control.

Blocking bridges is forcing others who may not even be involved in your conflict to suffer the consequences of it. This is generally considered "a dick move".

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Post by doctor_eval »

cudgy wrote: post #382
peter422 wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So is somebody physically blocking a bridge with a giant truck and refusing to move it less militant than somebody pulling their music off Spotify and writing a letter explaining their choice? Why did you use the term “militant” to describe the side that is not using military tactics.

Blocking bridges with trucks and no guns is a military tactic? I believe that is an example of civil disobedience. Words matter.

They said “militant”. That does not mean “military”, it means “confrontational”.
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