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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by rhubarbtree »

chneu wrote: post #381
adev_ wrote: post #358

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> I long thought their strong Gaullist stance on sovereignty was a bit silly in today's world There is very good reasons why De Gaulle was always a bit doubtful about American military protection and why post-war France put a strong emphasis on military sovereignty. That has nothing to do with any French stubbornness or a so called French anti-American feeling. The main reason is that De Gaulle experienced the fact A…

You can always trust americans to do the right thing after we have tried everything else. Never trust america unless our last option is the one you want. Otherwise, let us stubbornly do it wrong until we come around.

I don’t think that aphorism is actually true. What’s the right thing that’s going to follow being complicit in Gaza and bombing Iran?

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by archdang »

rhubarbtree wrote: post #641
chneu wrote: post #381

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You can always trust americans to do the right thing after we have tried everything else. Never trust america unless our last option is the one you want. Otherwise, let us stubbornly do it wrong until we come around.

I don’t think that aphorism is actually true. What’s the right thing that’s going to follow being complicit in Gaza and bombing Iran?

I think it was a quip strategically designed to make the Americans feel better about themselves even as it clearly puts them down, and to become an aspiration at least. In some sense the history of the US is about unleashing a powerful idea and always falling inshort of living up to it.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by tremon »

heraldgeezer wrote: post #619
originalvichy wrote: post #116

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Covid, Russia and the axis of US+Israel has done massive damage to the European psyche. Covid showed us how economically dependent we are to major manufacturing countries like China. Paper money != ability to manufacture. Russia broke any notion of peace that can be funded by cheap energy. It will always be a tool used against you, and Russia will not change. The axis of US+Israel is breaking down the international s…

Damage? It has strengthened us. Nordics and the Baltics are very pro Ukraine, we have a common enemy now to focus on. Poland has stepped up too militarlity. Sweden where I am has seen a HUGE uplift in military spend, and the companies like SAAB and Bofors (heheh) Germany is the big loser as they had cheap Russian energy and shut down their nuclear plants. Where in Europe are you from exactly? EU overall is pro Ukrain…

Israel is our ally

Israel is Europe's shame, not ally. The UK, France and the US share full responsibility for the creation of the state of Israel, and every day that Europe refuses to denounce Israel, its culpability for Israel's actions grows.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by easytiger »

jamincan wrote: post #592
easytiger wrote: post #492

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How is Greenland a vital interest to France? Especially in the context of initiating a nuclear war with a friendly nation?

Should I give you a pass for only pulling a ten from my wallet when you mug me? Or do I defend myself knowing that next time you'll be taking more?

So you don't want to answer the question?

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by ifwinterco »

polothesecond wrote: post #638
ifwinterco wrote: post #433

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What's going on right now makes a lot more sense when you consider that what's now the US was populated not so much by people of English descent, but specifically super religious Protestants who were often causing trouble. Part of the solution to Europe's wars of religion was to pack off some of the most swivel-eyed ones to the new world to let them build their New Jerusalem there, and it worked for a bit

Even as an American reading some diaries of English colonists provided a lot of insight into the culture to this day. I remember one where a man decided to move to America to escape religious persecution. Of course said religious persecution was his neighbors laughing and dancing and enjoying themselves.

It often gets somewhat glossed over in modern secular readings of history but the Protestant Reformation is one of the most important events in European (and Western more broadly) history.

We're still feeling the reverberations of Martin Luther (allegedly) nailing his theses to the door of the church in Wittenberg today

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by nickdothutton »

batiudrami wrote: post #588
nickdothutton wrote: post #233

I think there is a pretty good chance US is in the late empire phase. This is not about a single President or party, or even single geopolitical event/development.

It is interesting to me, as an Australian, that it almost seems like Osama Bin Laden won. The fall of the US commenced when they let the fear in, and that was September 2001.

I occasionally "joke" that it was 9-11 where we shifted timelines to the alternate universe. 1 minute Fukuyama announces the end of history and our future will consist of abundance and TV and shopping, the next...

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by heraldgeezer »

tremon wrote: post #643
heraldgeezer wrote: post #619

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Damage? It has strengthened us. Nordics and the Baltics are very pro Ukraine, we have a common enemy now to focus on. Poland has stepped up too militarlity. Sweden where I am has seen a HUGE uplift in military spend, and the companies like SAAB and Bofors (heheh) Germany is the big loser as they had cheap Russian energy and shut down their nuclear plants. Where in Europe are you from exactly? EU overall is pro Ukrain…

Israel is our ally Israel is Europe's shame, not ally. The UK, France and the US share full responsibility for the creation of the state of Israel, and every day that Europe refuses to denounce Israel, its culpability for Israel's actions grows.

Okay good that you are honest, you do not what Israel to exist at all?

Well, the west disagrees with you.

What country in Europe are you in and who do you vote for?

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by ta20240528 »

tremon wrote: post #643
heraldgeezer wrote: post #619

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Damage? It has strengthened us. Nordics and the Baltics are very pro Ukraine, we have a common enemy now to focus on. Poland has stepped up too militarlity. Sweden where I am has seen a HUGE uplift in military spend, and the companies like SAAB and Bofors (heheh) Germany is the big loser as they had cheap Russian energy and shut down their nuclear plants. Where in Europe are you from exactly? EU overall is pro Ukrain…

Israel is our ally Israel is Europe's shame, not ally. The UK, France and the US share full responsibility for the creation of the state of Israel, and every day that Europe refuses to denounce Israel, its culpability for Israel's actions grows.

Oh stop being so self-loathing: Israel was created by a mandate from the League of Nations.

So, most of the planet (1)

(1) Well, excluding Ethiopia because they still thought it was cool to have slaves.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by heraldgeezer »

ta20240528 wrote: post #648
tremon wrote: post #643

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Israel is our ally Israel is Europe's shame, not ally. The UK, France and the US share full responsibility for the creation of the state of Israel, and every day that Europe refuses to denounce Israel, its culpability for Israel's actions grows.

Oh stop being so self-loathing: Israel was created by a mandate from the League of Nations. So, most of the planet (1) (1) Well, excluding Ethiopia because they still thought it was cool to have slaves.

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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by heraldgeezer »

vrganj wrote: post #623
heraldgeezer wrote: post #617

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Not this talking point again... I am very pro Ukraine, but those nukes where never "Ukranian", they where Soviet nukes, staffed and manned and made by Russia. This is like if USA puts nukes in Sweden under NATO, are they suddenly Swedish nukes? No.

Nah, this is like if the US puts nuke in California and the US falls apart. Are they Californian nukes or DC nukes? Possession is nine-tenths of the law...

Well, does it matter if California never had the staff/manpower to use them, and they were all administered & maintained by DC staff?
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