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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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It likely will. There’s major impact on literally everyone in tech, there’s huge data privacy concerns, and it has less coverage or discussion than a new version of jQuery. The US gov could fall but that would count as politics here so clearly irrelevant.

> less coverage or discussion than a new version of jQuery Pretty sure this is a feature not a bug. Most people aren’t here for political topics.

You're past the time of saying that and not being seen as an enabler my friend. This isn't normal politics anymore. They are killing people in the streets. If you don't think that your tech toys have a lot to do with that, then you should grow up. This pathetic point does not apply anymore.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Yeah so find a forum that’s for discussing that and discuss it there. Don’t try and force people who are discussing something else to talk about politics with you. Do you also randomly go onto GitHub issues and start talking politics because the people who are talking about repo bugs are “hiding behind a bush” and should talk about the political things you think are important instead?

Nobody is forcing you to do anything. You're choosing to comment. You're not being censored nor is your speech compelled. This forum is for hacker news. Some people believe tech news related to politics qualifies, some don't. Your perspective is equally arbitrary. You have no reasoning, no justification. So stop pretending you do.

Well, to be fair, their point has being reinforced for years by the general stance of the mods.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Well in my case I was referring to actual vocal conversations I've had with humans, either in person or on MS Teams. I suppose that there could be an extremely elaborate LLM to control humanoid robots to try and fool me, but I do not believe that's the case.

Yet. But another year or two of progress on AI deepfakes and you will be talking to a bot and be none the wiser.

Sure, but until then I'm reasonably certain that the people I have discussed this with were not bots.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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I feel like calling protests that are overwhelmingly peaceful riots tells me everything I need to know about the chances of this conversation being productive. Framing the language in a way that intrinsically devalues the fundamental first amendment right to assembly and speech puts all of this into a very obviously biased conversation. Some of the George Floyd protests devolved into riots. That is not what is happen…

>Police or federal officers using riot dispersal techniques against a protest does not suddenly make the protest a riot. I agree. Assaulting police or federal officers, harassing citizens and blocking traffic does though, and the police acts on that, not just randomly gassing people because Trump. >ICE and CBP do not have the remit to behave like they are doing in these situations either - they do not have the same p…

> I agree. Assaulting police or federal officers, harassing citizens and blocking traffic does though, and the police acts on that, not just randomly gassing people because Trump.

The first of the things in this list has a very large gap with the rest. I have seen zero evidence there is any sort of widescale assault on police or federal officers with these protests. Some isolated incidents, yes, but isolated incidents are not riots.

Harassing citizens does not make something a riot. Blocking traffic does not make something a riot.

They might not be protected by the 1A (Well, depending on what you mean by 'harassing citizens' it very well might be, that's a very broad term) but that isn't the same thing as a riot.

> Yes, they have different powers yet they employ sworn officers and those can arrest people who they believe are committing crimes in front of them.

They can arrest people for committing federal crimes in front of them or with reasonable suspicion of a felony having occurred. This is different from what they are doing

> Need a source for that, it's news to me.

Some lawyers/law professors discussing this.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1196194852659037 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyoBDxPeMfg

> It does though. Even in LA the mayor was not as dumb as to order LAPD to stand down and as the result zero people got shot by feds during more massive riots than in Minneapolis. Local police is more lenient and less likely to use deadly force even when met with violence, you'd imagine if mayor had any compassion for his constituents he'd sent the police to deal with them rather than leave it to feds.

Your entire argument seems to be based on the idea that if cops aren't around then it's the fault of anyone but CBP/ICE when CBP/ICE fuck up. Which is a weird abdication of personal responsibility.

> Local police is more lenient and less likely to use deadly force even when met with violence,

In particular here, I'd say it's not a matter of leniency - local police undergo training at a policy academy and a supervised training period when they enter the job. In combination this can result in years of training. They also have background checks done. Most large departments also employ some form (or even multiple forms) of psychological screening. They have ongoing re-training and re-certification around all sorts of topics including de-escalation and dealing with the public.

And police still fuck it up fairly regularly. Meanwhile, ICE has 47 days of training (the number chosen, of course, because Trump is president #47...) and no-to-minimal background and psychological screening. Police are less likely to use violent force because we have attempted to select for people that will not use it unnecessarily and also provided extensive training to them on when and when not to use it.

For example, even if you believe lethal force is justified in a situation like Good's, the immediate consequences show that it was the incorrect choice for the stated claim - after she was shot in the head, the vehicle accelerated at a far greater speed and with no human control over it. Many departments now train their officers to not be in front of vehicles like this because they know that not only does it unnecessarily increase the risk to the officer, but that in a situation like this one they do not have recourse to stop it from happening - shooting the driver of a car that is right in front of you does not decrease your chances of getting run over even if they are intending to do so (and by no means do I think it is likely that Good ever intended to do so), and if they are not actively attempting to run you over, can even increase it.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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If it misfired it likely misfired as it was being taken, not while in his holster. If you’re detaining someone who has a gun and a gun goes off it’s incompetent, maybe negligent, but not murder to react by shooting the guy who had the gun. I don’t think anyone can draw definitive conclusions from the videos.

> it’s incompetent but not murder That is a conclusion

Hanlon’s Razor

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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The research that kicked off Google was funded by US intelligence orgs. Stop pretending like Schmidt was or is "one of the good guys." They all knew from day one what the score was.

Hes def not a good guy lmao. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/37457418/eric-schmidt-mistress...

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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The source of the problem is the respect of the rule of law and due process Data collection is not the source of the problem because people give their data willingly Do you think data collection is a problem in China, or do you think the government and rule of law is the problem? Companies collecting data is not the true problem. Even when data collection is illegal, a corrupt government that doesn't respect the rule…

yeah, this is exactly it. all the arguments kind of boil down to "well how about if the government does illegal or evil stuff?" its very similar to arguments about the second ammendment. But laws and rules shouldnt be structured around expecting a future moment where the government isnt serving the people. At that moment the rules already dont matter

You just described the Bill of Rights. Constitutions should be structured around that.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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It would be nice if the top people in open source land weren't disheveled and looking like sterotypes. It's pretty easy to paint him as a predator.

How is not just straight up bigotry? You’re unambiguously saying that his appearance is the relevant factor in his ideas You’re doing literally what I described

There's a popular video on YouTube of him eating skin peeled from his foot during a lecture at a college. Not AI, very old, repellant to normal people.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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How does that work? As a US citizen, no amount of "harassment" is going to stop me from voting.

Wrong https://www.americanhistory.si.edu/explore/exhibitions/ameri... There has been many ways to stop you from voting, contesting your vote, calling your registration into account, imitating tests that are impossible to validate if you are intelligent enough to vote, etc Spend some time educating yourself on how voting suppression has worked historically and you wont sound so ignorant.

While a required literacy test may be a form of voter suppression, it is not "harassment", which is what we are discussing.
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