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Post by refurb »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #560
refurb wrote: post #243

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That logic doesn't hold up. Legal immigration - as is today - is about 1% of the US population. That's pretty standard, and would result in an slowly increasing population. But regardless, saying "we need immigrants" then jumping to "illegal or not" is not a logical argument. We absolutely can have a system that prevent illegal immigration, while carefully screening legal immigrants. Heck, every country in the world…

The US values individual freedom, has porous borders, a diverse population, and a large land mass. Citizens would have to put up with some pretty draconian living conditions to ensure zero illegal migration. Even Reagan granted mass amnesty in the face of such costs. We can disagree on where the threshold of unacceptable intrusion into our lives should be. But significant change probably requires replacing the Fourth…

> Citizens would have to put up with some pretty draconian living conditions to ensure zero illegal migration.

I don’t agree. It’s a matter of incentives. If you know entering the US illegally means you stand a high chance of being deported, have almost no ability to be employed and no access to any social services, the problem mostly solves itself.

Lots of other countries ask why the US has problems other countries have already solved and immigration is a great example of it. It’s a solved problem, our leaders intentionally don’t want it fixed.

> Even Reagan granted mass amnesty in the face of such costs.

The amnesty was an agreement that substantial legislation would be passed later than would stop illegal immigration. That’s why Reagan agreed to it. But the changes never happened.

> But significant change probably requires replacing the Fourth Amendment

The Fourth Amendment can stay as is. Just stop people from staying illegally in the country and the 4th amendment becomes a non-issue.

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Post by greycol »

fastball wrote: post #344
jayd16 wrote: post #249

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Pam Bondi is now demanding voter rolls. It's clearly about suppressing liberal voters in liberal areas through a show of force. They're using this data to optimize who to harass.

How does that work? As a US citizen, no amount of "harassment" is going to stop me from voting.

Voter registration gets names cross referenced to facebook gets you face recognition (Palantir can do this). Ice claims that facial recognition on their app is probable cause (Ice already claim this).

Ice goes down the lines at voting stations to "protect from undocumented aliens voting illegally". The government endorsed news stories will be about how many illegals were trying to vote. Meanwhile a bunch of US citizens were taken for processing due to false positives and unfortunately with such large numbers to process they aren't all released until polling stations are closed. (If only someone hadn't botched the facial recognition database update and contaminated it with a bunch of Dem voters).

If rioting against these actions occurs at a station, it's closed for safety and people in area are detained while it's sorted (the stations targeted had a tendency to vote D anyway as per voter roles).

Strange how that 'harassment' did stop US citizens from voting.

Results come in while the case for voter suppression goes to the Supreme court. Supreme court rules that while voter suppression did occur there is no legal option of redress within its permit and the peaceful transfer of power is more important than any one election A la Bush V Gore.

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Post by terminalshort »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #525
LadyCailin wrote: post #504

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Who is most responsible for stopping Trump from doing horrible shit? Besides of course, Trump himself. Surely that must be his base, yes? Then followed by Americans at large. It’s surely not, say, Canada’s responsibility, no? There’s a spectrum of responsibility, and you can find out who is at the top of that spectrum of those that think the thing is bad, and hold them at least morally responsible. In this case, yes,…

His base are the 0.01%. They could end this tomorrow by phoning their pet senators and having a quiet word. The people on the front lines - including the ICE thugs - are entirely disposable. They people using them have zero interest in their welfare or how this works out for them in the long term. (Spoilers - not well.) Of course they don't understand this. But this is absolutely standard for authoritarian fascism -…

If money could buy politicians they would be a lot better behaved than they are

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Post by guerrilla »

mystraline wrote: post #295

Right now, in Belarus, amateur radio operators are being considered "enemies of the state". Naturally they all are registered with the govt, and thus easy to pick up, jail, or murder. This is the type of danger where last year amateur radio was legal, and now it gets you jailed. Thats the danger of this sort of data.

If you have, you should post articles in English about that. People would be interested.

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Post by atmavatar »

UncleMeat wrote: post #449
nullocator wrote: post #396

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When was the ideal time for RBG to retire? Was it when Mitch McConnell was refusing to even hold hearings for any Obama nominee in the last years of his presidency? There is no indication that RBG retiring would have resulting in a confirmed Obama selected justice, it could have just resulted in Trump getting his picks earlier.

No. It was before that. She should have retired in 2009 or 2010 when Obama was in the white house and democrats controlled the senate.

I would point out that even had RBG retired early enough for Obama to appoint a replacement, the court would still have Roberts, Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh in the majority.

Sure, there may be a case here or there that would go the other way, but the vast majority of cases before this hypothetical court would be decided the same way as they have been, merely with a thinner majority.

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Post by pandaman »

cthalupa wrote: post #600
pandaman wrote: post #456

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Can't talk for all Red states, but in Austin, TX the city police is arresting even people who try to interfere with traffic, even more so people who interfere with federal agents so there is a little chance someone reads reddit, figures there is nothing going to happen if he or she lays hands on a fed and get lit. Now, I've seen quite a few of videos from Minneapolis and there were literally 0 MPD officers in any of…

I feel like calling protests that are overwhelmingly peaceful riots tells me everything I need to know about the chances of this conversation being productive. Framing the language in a way that intrinsically devalues the fundamental first amendment right to assembly and speech puts all of this into a very obviously biased conversation. Some of the George Floyd protests devolved into riots. That is not what is happen…

>Police or federal officers using riot dispersal techniques against a protest does not suddenly make the protest a riot.

I agree. Assaulting police or federal officers, harassing citizens and blocking traffic does though, and the police acts on that, not just randomly gassing people because Trump.

>ICE and CBP do not have the remit to behave like they are doing in these situations either - they do not have the same powers as local law enforcement.

Yes, they have different powers yet they employ sworn officers and those can arrest people who they believe are committing crimes in front of them.

>They explicitly are not allowed to force a US citizen out of their car.

Need a source for that, it's news to me.

>It doesn't matter if MPD is there.

It does though. Even in LA the mayor was not as dumb as to order LAPD to stand down and as the result zero people got shot by feds during more massive riots than in Minneapolis. Local police is more lenient and less likely to use deadly force even when met with violence, you'd imagine if mayor had any compassion for his constituents he'd sent the police to deal with them rather than leave it to feds.

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Post by cthalupa »

charcircuit wrote: post #356
blibble wrote: post #327

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> This is such a low probability scenario how is it a low probability scenario? it's happened before, in living memory (there are still people alive that survived the holocaust) and you're seeing the early stages of despotic rule literally today in Minnesota

There weren't ex post facto laws being passed during the holocaust. >the early stages of despotic rule literally today in Minnesota This type of thinking is what is leading to the destruction of order there.

> This type of thinking is what is leading to the destruction of order there.

Yes, we are seeing a destruction of order in MN. US citizens being terrorized by ICE and CBP agents with 47 days of training, no understanding of the legal limits of their authority, and no consequences when they go beyond those limits.

But that's not being caused by people pushing back against the beginnings of autocracy. That's being caused by the people who want to become autocrats.

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Post by dfdf2 »

tasty_freeze wrote: post #203
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

It reminds me of when Eric Schmidt, then CEO of google, tried that argument about people's worry of google collecting so much personal data. Some media outlet then published a bunch of personal information about Schmidt they had gathered using only google searches, including where he lives, his salary, his political donations, and where his kids went to school. Schmidt was not amused.

Eric Schmidt the rapist?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/37457418/eric-schmidt-mistress...

He's got a whole lotta people doing over-time trying to bury this.

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