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Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by linker3000 »

mattrighetti wrote: post #204
gpgn wrote: post #189

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What pisses me off is that some legitimate websites like project goutenberg are all blocked by my Internet provider in Italy and I have to go through a VPN to access them. Same for scribd, vdoc, libgen and so on.

Do yourself a favour and install AdGuardHome/PiHole in your LAN so that you don't have to connect to a VPN each time, that way DNS is going to work and return a valid response back to every single device that you own in the network.

I have two Plusnet Hub Ones at home being used as wireless access points. Both are flashed with OpenWrt and one has AdBlock installed; that one is the house's primary DNS server, with OpenDNS upstream.

Coupled with uBlock origin on all laptops and PCs, the online world is very ad-free.

If I bypass the blocking I am dismayed by how much ad crap there is out there.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by mike_hearn »

mftrhu wrote: post #452
mike_hearn wrote: post #185

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China claims its firewall is about protecting its citizens too. How is it different?

How is it the same? Is it because both sentences contain the word "claim" in them, do you disagree about the Garante acting to enforce an EU directive, or what?

I mean that China justifies their firewall by saying it's for the protection of their citizens, which is the same justification given here for Italy wanting to block ChatGPT. If you're saying that Italy is truthful about their reasoning but China isn't, what sort of process is being used to determine that?

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by asimpletune »

moffkalast wrote: post #553
seydor wrote: post #435

While this is obviously a dumb move, there are 2 upsides for Italy: - Italy, like the rest of south europe is hobbled by an army of bureaucrats doing busywork and their jobs are the first to be threatened by an AI speaking fluent Italian. So it helps them to keep unemployment from getting even higher - It's an opportunity for an Italian company to create a model and grow in this window of opportunity. Italy has great…

> Italy has great engineers Does it? Ferrari's become a real joke in recent years. I do fully buy the bureaucrats being threatened by automation theory though. > this is obviously a dumb move It's also a dumb move by OpenAI to pretend they can get away with not processing data in the EU like any other service has to. Just spin up a few instances, what's the big deal? It's just complete arrogance on their part. GDPR i…

Italy is a very rich country in almost every sense of the word. They have very good engineers.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by InCityDreams »

prenoob wrote: post #82

Writing from rome, italy. These bureaucrats only pretend to work. The number of privacy violations in italy is staggering, i have to take 10 calls a day from power companies because they have access to all the phone number of anybody who has a gas or energy contract. I had to change phone numbers. Meanwhile they are going against a service that as far as i know does not even require your name to serve you.

Answer the phone every time. But do not listen or do anything. Leave them hanging - they will soon take you off the lists.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by groestl »

ithkuil wrote: post #634
groestl wrote: post #517

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This _is_ the GDPR at work here.

Should it apply to the whole of Europe? If openai perceives this to be just a problem for one 60M people country, not particularly known for tech enterprises, they may just shrug it off and close off service to Italy and call it a day. That's exactly what they did. My plus account got refunded and blocked. VPN only allows me to access the free service, so no GPT-4 for me. So unless other countries are following on an…

> Should it apply to the whole of Europe?

That's a political question, I just want to point out that this measure is backed by the GDPR, for better or worse.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by nicky0 »

nforgerit wrote: post #356
stametseater wrote: post #344

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The people on this site who criticize the GDPR don't even know what the GDPR does, including you. Cookie banners aren't from the GDPR, they're from the ePrivacy Directive as amended in 2009. I don't understand how you people even mix this up, the cookie banners appeared several years before the GDPR existed. It's like this site is a big pity party of surveillance capitalists whining into an echo chamber, remixing and…

Maybe (I'm too lazy to check this out). But from what I remember only after GDPR those banners went viral in clumsy, annoying, not useful and frequently unnecessary implementations. Maybe it's because of hefty fines introduced in the context of GDPR. My point is: Did it help fighting privacy issues? I don't think so. Did it harm? I do think so. Will it ever be somehow measured for its effectiveness and be taken back/…

I seem to recall that before the GDPR, cookie banners were basically a single "OK" button, annoying but at least usually floating near the bottom of the page. After GDPR. they became dark-patterned modal nests of unfathomable checkboxes and submenus.

I don't think it has made of jot of difference for privacy, but it sure has degraded the user experience of using the web.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by perryizgr8 »

SanderNL wrote: post #112
baxtr wrote: post #103

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That's actually the sad message being conveyed by this, right? "You are so dumb, you need to be protected by the state doing stupid things with your data."

And I get it and usually agree. Some things are dangerous, like toxic materials I don't know about and cannot know about. I expect some agency to protect me, because in this domain I am too stupid. Oh wait.. the whole world is not a developer. I can definitely see how some people need protection here. Even developers are inputting sensitive code and info about their work. Weird times.

> Some things are dangerous, like toxic materials I don't know about and cannot know about.

You don't need regulation for companies to tell you that a product contains a harmful substance. You just need a functioning legal system.

Re: Italian privacy regulator bans ChatGPT

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Post by Manjuuu »

gpgn wrote: post #631
Manjuuu wrote: post #513

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Just change the dns.

I'm too low-IQ to understand what this means.

Old comment, it was from when we all expected they would have just blocked it at ISP dns level at some point, since openai itself is blocking access from the country, yes, you need a "vpn" now. You IQ is ok.
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