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As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by illiac786 »

trasz wrote: post #632
illiac786 wrote: post #612

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"armed police officers dressed in protective clothing came to the location to drive out the crowd" "armed police officers dressed in protective clothing came to the location to drive out the crowd." This is you making your point about China being democratic? US being "institutionalised corruption": sources? How is Europe.less corrupt? Again, sources?

It’s not normal for police to protect demonstrations in your country? Which country is that, if I may ask? As for corruption - in Europe corporations can’t just buy congressmen. In US it’s the norm.

Yes it's normal for the police to ensure a demonstration goes peacefully. It is a fundamental right in many countries to demonstrate. In China it is not. What country do _you_ leave in, where demonstrating is not allowed?

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by _-david-_ »

jokoon wrote: post #635
_-david-_ wrote: post #318

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> Now I totally get that China can use propaganda for "bad ideologies", but again, isn't propaganda part of free speech? Not coming from a country who considers themselves at war with us.

At war? Any source for those claims? It's not a secret China exports a lot of stuff, not sure it would export things to countries it is at war with.

I don't mean to suggest there is a hot war, but more of a propaganda war so they can take the US down without a physical war.

China sees the US as a threat and has been attempting to undermine the US at every turn. Many Chinese students in the US basically become spies due to the threats against their families. The Chinese government has been propagandising people in the US with Confucius Institutes. A Chinese spy was sleeping with a US house member and another was on a US senator's team. I'm sure there are more cases than just these two as well.

They are infiltrating the US to destroy us from within so they don't need a hot war. People in the US either don't know or don't care.

As for exporting goods to the US. With cheap labor it hollows out the middle class in the US. We used to have good paying jobs for non college educated people but those jobs were offshored to China. This weakens the general population and causes increased drug use and other actions of despair. By continuing to send us goods they are keeping the US restricted in what they can do. If China blocked exports it would devastate the US economy.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by anothernewdude »

bigcat12345678 wrote: post #623
anothernewdude wrote: post #389

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Russia has put down multiple popular uprisings within its sphere - Belarus, Kazakhstan. Invaded Georgia, and Ukraine to effect regime change. And looks to be behind the Coup in Mali and one in Montenegro. China has supported violent Juntas in Myanmar, and Sudan. It has essentially performed a coup in Hong Kong. And of course it loves supplying weapons to latin countries via Norinco. And it's doing economic damage and…

> China has supported violent Juntas in Myanmar, and Sudan. Links please? Saying nothing / neutral Verbal approval Material support All these can be interpreted as supporting military Juntas. And military Juntas are not necessarily bad. For example, SK was developed effectively through a Military Junta government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Republic_of_Korea > It has essentially performed a coup in Hong Kong…

> This is shown to be a myth, as some other comments here suggested.

There have certainly been a bunch of opinion pieces expressing that opinion coming out at the same time. Which is incredibly weird, unless... oh right, opinions can be bought and China has a history of doing that.

Mystery solved I guess.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by bigcat12345678 »

anothernewdude wrote: post #643
bigcat12345678 wrote: post #623

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> China has supported violent Juntas in Myanmar, and Sudan. Links please? Saying nothing / neutral Verbal approval Material support All these can be interpreted as supporting military Juntas. And military Juntas are not necessarily bad. For example, SK was developed effectively through a Military Junta government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Republic_of_Korea > It has essentially performed a coup in Hong Kong…

> This is shown to be a myth, as some other comments here suggested. There have certainly been a bunch of opinion pieces expressing that opinion coming out at the same time. Which is incredibly weird, unless... oh right, opinions can be bought and China has a history of doing that. Mystery solved I guess.

The case is not that such pieces appearing in uniform in short period of time.

The case is that western media is so fixitated on negative coverage on China, so much so that any positive or neutral coverage will be seen as carefully manipulated campaign.

Every thread of China topic, here on HN, will see your type of comments consistently.

The real mystery is not that there is positive or neutral report on China.

The real mystery is why US people seem cannot use their brain on China topics...

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by LunaSea »

garmanarnar wrote: post #640
LunaSea wrote: post #639

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> Hong Kong is still a democracy. Without fair elections? I don't think so. > It is the will of Hong Kong citizens to be free from British imperialism. As decided where?

It's decided in Hong Kong. If you bothered to care about the opinion of Hong Kongers you might know that.

> It's decided in Hong Kong. If you bothered to care about the opinion of Hong Kongers you might know that.

Show me the referendum voting results then?

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by anothernewdude »

bigcat12345678 wrote: post #644
anothernewdude wrote: post #643

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> This is shown to be a myth, as some other comments here suggested. There have certainly been a bunch of opinion pieces expressing that opinion coming out at the same time. Which is incredibly weird, unless... oh right, opinions can be bought and China has a history of doing that. Mystery solved I guess.

The case is not that such pieces appearing in uniform in short period of time. The case is that western media is so fixitated on negative coverage on China, so much so that any positive or neutral coverage will be seen as carefully manipulated campaign. Every thread of China topic, here on HN, will see your type of comments consistently. The real mystery is not that there is positive or neutral report on China. The r…

Another mystery is why you think I'm American.

Chinese media is state controlled, and no alternative is possible. If they wanted credible positive reporting, then they have only themselves to blame.

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Post by garmanarnar »

LunaSea wrote: post #645
garmanarnar wrote: post #640

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It's decided in Hong Kong. If you bothered to care about the opinion of Hong Kongers you might know that.

> It's decided in Hong Kong. If you bothered to care about the opinion of Hong Kongers you might know that. Show me the referendum voting results then?

They didn't hold a referendum. Honestly if you're this ignorant on Hong Kong politics then I'm wasting my time.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by bigcat12345678 »

anothernewdude wrote: post #646
bigcat12345678 wrote: post #644

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The case is not that such pieces appearing in uniform in short period of time. The case is that western media is so fixitated on negative coverage on China, so much so that any positive or neutral coverage will be seen as carefully manipulated campaign. Every thread of China topic, here on HN, will see your type of comments consistently. The real mystery is not that there is positive or neutral report on China. The r…

Another mystery is why you think I'm American. Chinese media is state controlled, and no alternative is possible. If they wanted credible positive reporting, then they have only themselves to blame.

The mystery is why you think that I think you are American.

> There have certainly been a bunch of opinion pieces expressing that opinion coming out at the same time.

I was talking about English media. That's a reasonable assumption, since you are commenting on the HN comments, which is part of English media, and heavily influenced by mainstream English media, obviously.

You are an american or not is not relevant.

> If they wanted credible positive reporting, then they have only themselves to blame.

Wow.

Let's jail the SoB based on media reports. This is what you suggest, right?

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Post by LunaSea »

garmanarnar wrote: post #647
LunaSea wrote: post #645

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> It's decided in Hong Kong. If you bothered to care about the opinion of Hong Kongers you might know that. Show me the referendum voting results then?

They didn't hold a referendum. Honestly if you're this ignorant on Hong Kong politics then I'm wasting my time.

I know there wasn't a referendum but I asked the question to show you that citizens didn't have their say in the matter.

So it isn't a democracy.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by illiac786 »

trasz wrote: post #633
illiac786 wrote: post #613

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What is, according to you, the definition of "life from conception"? I'm a supporter of abortion but this is going to be fun I think.

The definition doesn’t matter, what matters is what it is: a fringe theory reinvented in late XIX century as part of Catholic hate campaign. Your point being? As a reminder, we’re talking about democrats failing to condemn extremist ideas.

I was just curious, you were drifting off.

To your point, I think democrats and republicans positions on climate are very different: https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/07/us-support-for-envir...

That would go against your point that they support "largely the same ideas".

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