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Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by pempem »

Schroedingersat wrote: post #438
pempem wrote: post #240

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While most people on HN would agree that they would like more regulation of their data on FB and Google, these are largely still separate actors from the US government. You can even indicate that something like Cambridge Analytica is starting within a party, rather than the actual governing body. There is too much sharing, IMO, without a doubt. That being said, they are not near synonymous as TikTok is. Data regulati…

Just because the chinese oligarchs give themselves government titles and the US oligarchs do not is no reason to believe they're not the ones in control.

Love this point. So true, and so accurate.

That being said they are also highly disparate with a variety of motivations and are incredibly hard to whip (using this the way its used in congress) into directions that are nuanced. Things like "we wanna make more money" "regulations/unions are bad" ofc oligarchs in the US manage to see eye to eye on, but anything further nuanced - that class discipline - is harder to achieve in the US than China

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by another_story »

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #564
another_story wrote: post #341

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I don't care about the US in this instance, but how many of those bases are wanted by the countries they are in? In most cases it seems US citizens are subsidizing the defense of many other countries.

No. Read more history and you'll understand how the US came to have so many foreign bases. Spoiler, they are not the world's saviors.

Yah, never said they were and I understand the history just fine. The question was how many want the bases there.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by bigcat12345678 »

anothernewdude wrote: post #389
fabianhjr wrote: post #238

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I am from latin america and at least neither China nor Russia have participated in coup d'etat to install a military junta to then torture and massacre anyone slightly left of the US "Democratic" Party. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2khAmMTAjI

Russia has put down multiple popular uprisings within its sphere - Belarus, Kazakhstan. Invaded Georgia, and Ukraine to effect regime change. And looks to be behind the Coup in Mali and one in Montenegro. China has supported violent Juntas in Myanmar, and Sudan. It has essentially performed a coup in Hong Kong. And of course it loves supplying weapons to latin countries via Norinco. And it's doing economic damage and…

> China has supported violent Juntas in Myanmar, and Sudan.

Links please? Saying nothing / neutral Verbal approval Material support All these can be interpreted as supporting military Juntas.

And military Juntas are not necessarily bad. For example, SK was developed effectively through a Military Junta government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Republic_of_Korea

> It has essentially performed a coup in Hong Kong.

What is this? HK is part of China right?

> it loves supplying weapons to latin countries via Norinco.

Nothing special, China's aim is the largest weapon exporter.

> And it's doing economic damage and putting more of those countries in debt, just like it took Hambantota International Port from Sri Lanka.

This is shown to be a myth, as some other comments here suggested.

> Both are racking up kills elsewhere in Africa too.

What is this?

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by tonymet »

nindalf wrote: post #520
tonymet wrote: post #472

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somehow hackernews is full of saints who never check out soft porn on tiktok .

I’ll go one better than that. I’ve never installed TikTok, nor have I checked out someone else’s phone with TikTok one it. I couldn’t tell you what the UI looks like even if you put a gun to my head. So no, we’re all not on there checking out soft porn.

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Post by xster »

josephcsible wrote: post #378
tzs wrote: post #370

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> We (europeans and americans) cant do really anything in China, we have essentially no rights and cant really conduct business. Sure you can. You just have to conduct your business in China under the same rules that Chinese businesses in China have to follow. Most countries or pseudo-countries work this way. For example the EU is about to tell US companies conducting business in Europe that they have to use USB-C fo…

> You just have to conduct your business in China under the same rules that Chinese businesses in China have to follow. Isn't one of the rules that foreign companies are required to partner with, and thus share all of their trade secrets with, a domestic Chinese company?

It isn't. It has been for specifically the auto industry and it generally hasn't had any positive effects for the domestic Chinese auto industry. Their side of the partnership has been mostly sticking with assembly and lower barrier items whereas the drivetrain continued to be made in Germany. This is why China is having a better chance starting from scratch and leapfrogging in electric, and why Tesla is let to not partner with anyone.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by tormeh »

trashtester wrote: post #554
Sophistifunk wrote: post #423

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Absolutely nothing about the historical bad behaviour of the US in Central and South America has any bearing on the threat the CCP poses to a billion Chinese and the world today. Nothing.

Not their actions in Latin America, but the USA did parttake in some extreme violence in Asia about 75 years ago that could be blamed for the CCP gaining power in the first place. I'm not sure Imperial Japanese rule would be so much better, though.

Imperial Japan was arguably worse than Nazi Germany. Unbelievably bad.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by Schroedingersat »

josephcsible wrote: post #588
Schroedingersat wrote: post #585

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The entity making decisions and benefiting does not heed and does not work to benefit the american taxpayers. The US from the point of view of the rest of the world is the military industrial complex, a network of corruption/compromise of varipus governments and one sided trade treaties, and the interests of american oligarchs. The american taxpayer only benefits insofar as they are goven crumbs so they do not revolt…

I can't take anyone seriously who says there's nothing to distinguish the US from the country that's commiting genocide against the Uyghurs and imprisons innocent foreign civilians because their country had Chinese criminals in prison.

Ah yes, because the ongoing state sanctioned systematic murder and enslavement of native and black americans is completely different from the ongoing enslavement and state sanctioned murder of Uyghurs.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by thrown_22 »

trasz wrote: post #540
thrown_22 wrote: post #225

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Yes, what happens is that the US asks Australia, part of 5 eyes, to use their back doors, which need to be install by law there https://fee.org/articles/australia-s-unprecedented-encryptio... , for any user data US agencies want. Completely different to China just having access to that data.

I like how this is getting downvoted despite being provably correct.

I like to say that the difference between Republicans and Democrats in the US is that Republicans break the law and Democrats subvert it.

It's no wonder that the largely liberal audience of HN supports the subversion route the US takes compared to the more brutal but vastly more honest way the Chinese do it.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by [deleted] »

Schroedingersat wrote: post #628
josephcsible wrote: post #588

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I can't take anyone seriously who says there's nothing to distinguish the US from the country that's commiting genocide against the Uyghurs and imprisons innocent foreign civilians because their country had Chinese criminals in prison.

Ah yes, because the ongoing state sanctioned systematic murder and enslavement of native and black americans is completely different from the ongoing enslavement and state sanctioned murder of Uyghurs.

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