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LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Microsoft BASIC was a pretty decent interpreter, I wouldn't call it "shitware", so there you go?

I would have preferred a Forth on my C64 seriously. But no, we were stuck with this "38911 bytes free" crap.

If you checked any of the contemporaries, C64 offered more free BASIC RAM than others.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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I don't remember DOS 6.22 blue screening on me. Maybe it wasn't so bad.

That's because it black-screened instead.

Ah for the days when the OS didn't stop you from jerking off every hardware bit

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I've successfully avoided these companies the last 5 years. Gaming as a whole is dead for me, I just play a couple of old games now & then. The culture is toast too, not just bad games or expensive hardware. So not really losing much sleep over any of this. I have linux on all my machines, so I really only play the one's that perform well on linux. Haven't played online multiplayer games since ~2013. Many of us are l…

> Gaming as a whole is dead for me There are millions of indies out there. Some are worth the time. It's a bit of a problem to figure out which though. > Haven't played online multiplayer games since ~2013 I don't think there are any non predatory online multiplayer games since 2013 :) And there are many online multiplayer games that would have been really good as single player.

True, I've played many indies the last 5 years, they can be amazing indeed and feels like actual games, not chores!

I've abandoned games that are too complex too (stellaris and friends). Basically only play games that can help me decompress my mind within a two hour space before bed.

For what its worth, I use a proxmox server with pcie passthrough to a fedora instance with steam on it. Then I stream with sunshine/moonlight to my phone. My phone has a controller thing it slots into. So basically I can play Diablo 2 on my phone which is amazing. Same with Hades. Basically any game with controller support, I can play it on my phone (6.7" OLED 2340x1080 @ 120hz + HDR). Turn based games, card games, isometrics... they all work amazing! This old gaming machine (Ryzen 5 2600 + 16gb ram + GTX1660) can render almost anything at this resolution for my phone.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Tou probably agreed to this when you broke the seal on the box that contained the monitor and a copy of the agreement you just agreed to. If you think that’s bad, don’t ask what you agreed to by reading this comment. I miss the days when contracts required two-party consent, or at least “meeting of the minds” / negotiations.

There have been courts that have voided unreasonable EULAs, I believe. I suspect this can be fought too. But getting actual meaningful consequences for the manufacturers to make them stop doing this, may be a different matter.

When individuals test the boundaries of the law, they go to jail or get fined to bankruptcy. When corporations test the boundaries of the law they get to try again next year. There need to be consequences for even trying to impose bad faith contracts.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Microsoft could easily make a rulebook for drivers, and say any company which violates the rulebook can only send open source drivers, or even ban them from driver distribution entirely which would quickly kill a consumer hardware brand.

Microsoft does not care about the quality of Windows. Half the malware comes from them. Windows is just a platform they can sell online services and AI products through.

Yeah but they can only sell online services and AI products through Windows as long as people keep using it. Betting it all on their lock in being strong enough doesn't sound like a good long term strategy.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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I’m no longer sure about their quality though. Out of four Logitech mice I bought recently (four different models), two died within a year. At least their warranty repair/replace process was decent.

What do you do to your mouses to make them fail so quickly? Are you throwing them randomly accross the room?

Actually using the middle click button regularly.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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What do you do to your mouses to make them fail so quickly? Are you throwing them randomly accross the room?

Use cats. For all great Logi ergonomics, they fall prey to cat hair; and pads cover the screws, so they can't be reassembled pristine after cleaning. Still, M500s is the best.

Pads over screws seem to be common for pretty much all mice. At least pads can be replaced easily and cheaply, unlike crap switches or wheel encoders.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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> This situation has.. no precedent as far as I can tell.. Microsoft has been allowing this sort of ludicrous behavior for decades at this point, it's not a new issue. What's new is how visible LG made their malware, compared to previous auto-installs that happen like this, where they try to make the thing not so in your face, as they know there will be a huge backlash. I don't know what Microsoft is thinking even al…

If you have been reading the news about Windows 11 then I will enlighten you -- they view the Windows 11 consumer business as a cost center that must be mitigated. As such, all manner of monetization has been approved and it will continued to be approved without regard for user experience. This article obviates that this is not an LG problem, it is a Microsoft problem. Also, don't fool yourself if you think this won'…

> Also, don't fool yourself if you think this won't come to the Linux world.

What Linux world? It may come to Ubuntu (they already tried other monetization crapware) but win Linux you always have other options.

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>This is not coming to the Linux world. The moment this sort of thing happens, distros get forked. I installed Debian 13 recently. The first time I opened Firefox ESR (installed by default), I got something that looked like adverts on the home page (banner blindness means I have no memory of what they actually were, only of the feeling of disgust). The Home section of the Settings page had options for "Sponsored shor…

thats entirely on Firefox

No, it's also on Debian for not disabling/removing that crap. Shielding the user from crapware (both the accidental and intentional kind) is the entire reason distribution maintainers exist in the first place.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Just use Debian. It's just as easy to install and use nowadays, and does not come with bloatware/malware.

Neither does Ubuntu.

Don't know about now but it has in the past.
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