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Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by MatejKafka »

antisthenes wrote: post #429
VorpalWay wrote: post #244

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Linux usability has come a long way in recent years. I switched full time to Linux in 2006, but I can absolutely understand those who wouldn't back then. These days? Unless there is a specific piece of software that can't run on Linux (or under Wine), and there is no suitable replacement for it? Yeah I don't know why you would voluntarily stay on Windows (note voluntarily, if IT policy says you must that doesn't coun…

Not to mention AI assistants are really good at helping you solve problems on Linux. Yeah, I know, it's not the same as "knowing" a system when you just copy paste terminal output, but if it solves a problem and converts 1 more person to Linux from W - that's a win.

Agents work well on Windows for sysadmin stuff - PowerShell gives them an easy way to interact with Registry, event log, WMI and other facilities in a structured way.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by MatejKafka »

driverdan wrote: post #174
AlienRobot wrote: post #120

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Me on Windows 7: I don't want to use Linux, you have to keep configuring every single thing so it works. Me on Linux: I don't want to use Windows, you have to keep configuring every single thing so it doesn't show ads.

Can you even disable all the ads on Windows 11?

Yes, and it's still fairly easy.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by coldtea »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #428
coldtea wrote: post #419

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First of all, drivers don't have to run in kernel space. Do you know that? I'm guessing no, based on your comment. Second, we're not talking about the drivers per se, as those aren't what shows you ads, it's the configuration software and accompanying crapware. Did you get that? I'm guessing no, based on your comment. Third, there are capability-based kernels, microkernels, drivers that are allowed into as restricted…

You don't have to counterbalance every useful sentence with a toxic message.

You do, when you're responding to "Do you even know how drivers work? (I'm guessing no, based on this comment)". I'm merely giving them back their toxic comment right back.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by Tallain »

eknkc wrote: post #401
ak217 wrote: post #343

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Logitech all the way. Logitech is a truly innovative company. They actually care deeply about ergonomics. They also introduced the first mass market application of programmable magnets (in the MX Master mouse scroll wheel) - that's incredibly advanced materials science.

They also managed to develop a steaming pile of shit called Logi Options+ which you need to set up your mouse (I only used the mac version to be fair)

You don't need it. The mouse functions perfectly fine without it. And you can even switch DPI when the mouse has a button to do that.

The software allows for fine-tuned settings, button remapping, etc. It is awful software, to be sure, but it's not necessary to use the mouse.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by coldtea »

MatejKafka wrote: post #432
coldtea wrote: post #419

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First of all, drivers don't have to run in kernel space. Do you know that? I'm guessing no, based on your comment. Second, we're not talking about the drivers per se, as those aren't what shows you ads, it's the configuration software and accompanying crapware. Did you get that? I'm guessing no, based on your comment. Third, there are capability-based kernels, microkernels, drivers that are allowed into as restricted…

Read sibling comments to get answers to all your (non)questions.

Strange how you didn't read them then, based on your rude and false response to my comment.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by hulitu »

devttyeu wrote: post #20

This is so much worse that the title makes it out to be: 1. Your OS installs malware (technically manufacturers software) from a 3rd party vendor in background, zero user interaction 2. Happens as soon as you or anyone with physical access plug in a device into the HDMI port 3. That malware has internet and full system access, no sandboxing 4. It starts with every system boot 5. This software gets installed when you…

But thanks to Secure Boot, your computer is secure. /s

When will people understand that malware is signed by the vendor ?

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by hparadiz »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #371
evilduck wrote: post #337

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Yeah, curious here too. Torvalds would need to pass first I think, and I just don't see other major players like RedHat, Google, Canonical, or Valve introducing this themselves or agreeing to do it in aggregate. And as end users we could still fork and patch it out. Some shitty company might try but I don't think it would stand.

Lots of bad ideas have come to Linux, like non-consensual telemetry, mobile-first interfaces etc. Don’t believe? Run OpenSnitch. Traditional CADT means features get lost over time. It is not immune from these forces, just not a focus by the powers that be. Fewer developers remember the good old days of Y2Kas as well, meaning they don’t resist these forces instinctively, since they grew up in iOS captivity.

Telemetry is anything including a process list. If you're talking about eBPF it's also used for debugging and server fleets and recently in basic task managers. Any data can be used to take a magnifying glass to the system. The kernel has literally thousands of toggles for this from networking to threading. And yes a program can see what your kernel supports and yes it can refuse to run if you're not running a specific kernel with a specific feature. How do you think programs like open snitch even work?

https://github.com/evilsocket/opensnitch/wiki/monitor-method...

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Post by LocalH »

IgorPartola wrote: post #370
yndoendo wrote: post #265

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Back in my Window days. I would start the driver installation and let it sit. Open the temp folder and copy content the install extracted to a new directory. Cancel the installation. Open Device Manager and install the drivers from there so non of the excessive bloat was installed. This worked greater with being an IT consultant. The client's machine to run smoother and drivers installed fast since they would buy mul…

To be fair Microsoft was always shitware. I don’t remember a time when using a Windows machine just worked, didn’t take up gigabytes of space, didn’t crash, and didn’t get messed up by simply using it requiring a yearly or semi-yearly reinstall.

Microsoft BASIC was a pretty decent interpreter, I wouldn't call it "shitware", so there you go?
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