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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by moonchrome »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #502
roomey wrote: post #482

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I'm sorry, but buying things on the internet wasn't laughed at, if anything people were worried about it cause of their credit card numbers. It was that basis of the dot com boom of the late 90s. Everyone saw the potential and lashed money into it. It didn't deliver at the time, but that dynamic is totally different to vr headsets. Think smart phones, they weren't pushed, people wanted them in a serious way

The simplest contrast is ChatGPT vs VR right now. OpenAI is up to over a billion of users and hundreds of millions of subscribers in There is no demand for VR outside gaming. Efforts to try and create that demand are failing.

> There is no demand for VR outside gaming

If I could replace my monitor with a portable device that would grant me huge virtual desktop space I would pay 3500$

Right now I'm waiting to see the feedback and for the early adopter issues to get ironed out.

But I'd say this demand is far greater than gaming. Being able to work from any rental where I can plop a keyboard and laptop without having to deal with bad desk height and non adjustable chair/lack of monitors is huge - it would literally mean I could work from anywhere.

Right now I can't - and I've tried many times. Experience is terrible and after a few days of bad desk/chair combo, even lugging a small 24inch monitor in the car, I get insane cramps/headaches from neck strain or back pain from bad posture.

If VR can solve this I know a lot of people would buy into that.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by landhar »

grncdr wrote: post #591
imiric wrote: post #555

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> But they were widely used by business people, and I’m assuming that was an important aspect of permeating into the other demographics. Similarly to how VR headsets are used by gamers and tech enthusiasts today. Just like VR for gaming, not everyone was willing to pay exhorbitant prices to lug around a briefcase of a phone, and use it only for poor quality phone calls. > AR/VR devices are attempting this the other w…

> Sure, but the actual current use case doesn't matter. Once the capabilities, price and user experience improve, it will become more appealing to a mass audience. I'm not the poster you're replying to, but I think you've missed their point here. Market penetration of mobile phones was (initially) driven by the advantages they provided as a work tool. This growing market that was willing to pay helped drive the cost…

Yes, that was what I was trying to articulate. Thank you for phrasing it more clearly.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by contrarian1234 »

ffgjgf1 wrote: post #400
brandall10 wrote: post #331

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But they're different classes of devices in a way. It's a new (primarily) standalone computing platform vs. just a peripheral. As far as vision, Meta's ultimate goal is to be the modern version of Linden Lab while Apple is providing the next step in personal computing. Meta's product is the metaverse. Apple's product is this device bolstered by their ecosystem. Give it a couple iterations and you'll have something th…

> $2k many will purchase in lieue of another Macbook That’s a strong statement. Same thing could’ve been said about the iPad and IMHO that would be a more reasonable claim. There isn’t any evidence still that you can do any work comfortably l in this thing regardless of the price point

In my CS class I'd say about half the student do all their programming on iPads. (very high ranking school and very talented students) They do all their coding on Google Colab

wish I was kidding..

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by anjc »

MrJagil wrote: post #356

For the third time, I’d like to reiterate my point on Metas recent trailer for their new Quest headset: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36201835 It turns out, it wasnt marketing that did wrong when Meta designed their trailer to be hip and energetic and happening. And it wasn’t Apple marketing that just “got it right” with their trailer when they focused on immersion. In reality, it has nothing to do with market…

> I cannot understand how they think “being actice and doing things” is their selling point? It is just so unintuitive.

For me it's the best aspect of VR, a complete gamechanger. Maybe this is unintuitive from a non-user's point of view. The Vision Pro use-case of sitting on your couch consuming content is unappealing and off-putting to me.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by permo-w »

ojbyrne wrote: post #132
stouset wrote: post #95

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> Is Microsoft today in a fundamentally problematic position ? I mean… pretty obviously yes? Windows is rotting on the vine, Azure is nowhere near the market share of other players, and while they still have a large installed base of users they’ve done nothing particularly noteworthy in like a decade at this point. If there’s anyone on the path to being the next IBM it’s them.

I think a lot of people spend time on LinkedIn these days. And GitHub.

and using ChatGPT

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by fearface »

nologic01 wrote: post #393

There is something quite remarkable and puzzling about the VR/AR and now SC (spatial computing) space. All major (ad)tech companies are convinced that this is a major market that will materialize and be profitable if the right combination of hardware and software is developed. Their VR "visions" differ but only at the margin. No matter how you execute it, we are talking about people (homo sapiens) putting a major som…

TIL some people believe desktop computing is more natural than spatial computing

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Post by siva7 »

nwienert wrote: post #574
darkwizard42 wrote: post #520

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Any new sources on the billion users of OpenAI? I know they hit 100 million users pretty quickly, but has any new data come out on subscribers and MAU of free users?

It’s completely made up and untrue. Think about it, a billion users is 1/7 of all people on earth. If you assume that number has to be at least 3x in the US (extremely conservative, given we’re incredibly rich and at least 100x more exposed to it in media than most of the world), you’d have to expect that basically 40% of people you know are actively using it. Impossible. My extended circle which leans tech overall i…

1B is a reasonable number as it is imaginable that 1 in 7 people on earth tried to use GPT (through ChatGPT or Bing) at some time over the past 6 months. It is undoubtly the fastest growing commercial product in history.

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Post by seydor »

grumbel wrote: post #615
seydor wrote: post #209

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Also, i don't understand the reasoning behind not having controllers. You are freeing up your hands for ... what? You are already wearing a blindfold on your face. ( I think the passthrough will be used very little because in most cases it's distracting)

It's not to free the hands. The primary reason to go for this interface is comfort and ergonomics. Holding up your hands in the air for prolonged amounts of time is hard. We use keyboards and mice because we can rest our hands with them. Apple's approach avoids that and lets your eyes do the selection, while still using your fingers for the clicking, thus giving you the responsiveness you are used to (i.e. no weird "…

> approach avoids that and lets your eyes do the selection,

I m not sure if they use the eyes as a pointer. It sounds very imprecise to me.

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

kumarvvr wrote: post #244

" By contrast, every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself." Wait, I thought an Oculus does the same thing too. Its a blindfold on your face, and it doesnt matter if they are alone or in a crowd. Mark has got to be terrified. The power of Apple is the tight and efficient integration of hardware and software. Regarding battery power, I woukd not rule out versions that stream the video and o…

FB should absolutely be in panic mode. They bet everything on VR because they wanted to own an entire ecosystem and not be reliant on Google/Apple.

No matter how good Oculus is, Apple will be the VR experience everyone will want to have. Apple will sell it vastly better and make it far more desirable than anything Meta can manage.

If I have to strap on an invasive device to my face, what company am I going to trust more - the one that has been hammering in its “privacy” credentials for years, or the one that incites riots and whose founder is memed to be a humanoid?

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