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Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by juve1996 »

smoldesu wrote: post #85
mrobins wrote: post #76

Pricing the headset at 7x the Quest seems like an Apple power move. Ordinarily if you’re 2nd or 3rd to a category you’d expect there to be pressure to price in the same ballpark. You want customers to compare but say the new product is worth spending a reasonable amount more than the old product because it has some bells and whistles. At $3500 Apple invites no comparison. They’re basically pretending Meta doesn’t exi…

On the flipside, it gives Meta a blueprint for disrupting the market. They're well-poised up to release a "Quest Pro Max" of sorts - keep the Quest form factor, but go all-in on eye tracking and screen tech. Price it at $3,000 and include a nice aluminum stand for kicks and giggles. The Hololens was a "power move" headset that had to repeatedly re-adjust its target market because the price was too high. Apple could e…

I highly doubt Meta can match Apple's tech now and in the future. The hard part is the hardware. Apple is way ahead here.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by tapoxi »

Yusefmosiah wrote: post #44

In this clash of visions, Apple wins by default. Not because Apple has a track record of setting the computer interface paradigm for the whole industry, but because Apple actually has its own vision — “spacial computing”. Zuck, on the other hand, aims to realize a sci-fi dystopia that he didn’t envision. Neal Stephenson did. Zuck didn’t found Oculus either. Now, Zuck may be the world’s greatest opportunist; copying,…

Apple's vision is the Microsoft HoloLens. I was walking around with apps floating in front of me (and staying in rooms where I placed them) years ago.

It's a neat gimmick but not worth the asking price because there's not $3500 of value you're extracting out of it.

Maybe $500 of value because it's neat? Not sure. It's great at presenting virtual screens (I don't need one) and non-game 3D content which will be a handful of 3D movies and novelty apps where you can explode a hologram of something.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by Xcelerate »

Yusefmosiah wrote: post #44

In this clash of visions, Apple wins by default. Not because Apple has a track record of setting the computer interface paradigm for the whole industry, but because Apple actually has its own vision — “spacial computing”. Zuck, on the other hand, aims to realize a sci-fi dystopia that he didn’t envision. Neal Stephenson did. Zuck didn’t found Oculus either. Now, Zuck may be the world’s greatest opportunist; copying,…

> because Apple actually has its own vision — “spacial computing”

Lol. It was called “spatial computing” at Facebook for years long before the metaverse rebrand.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by pavlov »

vlovich123 wrote: post #81

That’s seems disingenuous considering the Quest Pro is literally competing for the same market segment and there were numerous tech investments made to build out the workplace vision. I think Apple came out with a much more compelling product in that space (although it may be fair that the quest pro had less investment and focus because they believe low cost headsets are the real priority). The pricing won’t matter b…

> “if Q4 numbers indicate the vision pro is a hit”

The Vision Pro isn’t shipping until 2024.

IMO this Verge article is a bit incongruent for mocking Meta’s announcement of Quest 3 a couple of months ahead, without mentioning that Apple’s announcement was almost a year before the Vision Pro will reach most markets.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by stouset »

makeitdouble wrote: post #66
ctvo wrote: post #25

This sounded weak to me. Apple is making an integrated headset: their own lenses, processor, ..., down to the operating system. The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components. We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful . It has to be responsive. It has to have the little to…

> We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. Is Microsoft today in a fundamentally problematic position ? Apple has the spotlight and a higher evaluation, but I'm not sure Google or Microsoft "haven't ended well". > A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful. The number of people willing to pay for "delightful" is pretty small though. Even as today, the i…

> Is Microsoft today in a fundamentally problematic position ?

I mean… pretty obviously yes?

Windows is rotting on the vine, Azure is nowhere near the market share of other players, and while they still have a large installed base of users they’ve done nothing particularly noteworthy in like a decade at this point.

If there’s anyone on the path to being the next IBM it’s them.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by makeitdouble »

pico303 wrote: post #79
makeitdouble wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. Is Microsoft today in a fundamentally problematic position ? Apple has the spotlight and a higher evaluation, but I'm not sure Google or Microsoft "haven't ended well". > A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful. The number of people willing to pay for "delightful" is pretty small though. Even as today, the i…

Blackberry

Blackberry was making their own hardware and OS to almost the same extent as Apple does today...are you arguing that Apple will be the next BlackBerry ?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by JimDabell »

dagmx wrote: post #35
ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's just cherry picking. Lots of people said the Apple Newton would likely be a flop and it was indeed a flop.

To move the goalposts slightly, Apple is a very different company pre and post Jobs return. They had tons of flops before he came back, but the company is almost completely changed post. of course, one could argue that he’s gone and that is lost as well, but they seem to continue delivering imho

By all accounts, Apple have absolutely nailed it when it comes to how the product works. The key to its wide-scale success from this point forward is not how well the product works, but in making it affordable to the masses. Apple have already cleared the “needs amazing product thinking” hurdle and now it’s all about getting the supply chain to where it needs to be. They don’t need a Jobs, they need a Cook.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by astrange »

asjfka wrote: post #47

Apple Vision will fail. It doesn't matter if it's a good product or not. Fact is, wearing it makes you look like a dork. This is why it will fail. Segway made you look like a dork too and it failed. Then the hoverboard got out and you looked cool while using it and it is successful. There is a future for Apple Vision's tech, but this is not the product that will sell. People will buy a product that makes them look co…

That's not an issue for commercial/industrial use cases.
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