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Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay

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Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay

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+1 for tipping culture. I just dont get it, why can employers pay their fair share, instead of expecting customers to foot the bill.

> instead of expecting customers to foot the bill. Either way, the customer will be paying this bill.

OP's point is that you don't have to tip right now, but if tip goes away then the tip will be included in the price and mandatory

Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay

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+1 for tipping culture. I just dont get it, why can employers pay their fair share, instead of expecting customers to foot the bill.

This is a myth. Tipped employees typically do way better than the minimum wage. Tipping encourages good service. Go to your average European restaurant and you can see what the alternative is: lazy and often outright rude waitstaff who resent their customers.

in the US every 5 min your waiter comes to ask you if you're OK, I fucking hate that

Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay

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We make choices within contexts other people create.

And your solution is to take away more choices from people?

Y'jumped to a lot of conclusions, there. I suggest you try asking some genuine questions, instead.

Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay

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I've had taxi drivers yell at me for how close I lived to the airport. Angrily banging the steering wheel. "I waited in line for 2 hours and I get this fucking fare!?" Then they drive maniacally fast, weaving through traffic hoping to catch the tail end of passengers disembarking my flight. Mildly terrifying. Uber and Lyft were so welcome.

But that's partly because, in all likelihood, the taxi driver also couldn't set their own rates. If that taxi driver could have asked $20 instead of the $3.75 legally mandated by the meter, would you have paid it? It seems like allowing a proper market, where both riders and drivers could bid on rides, would solve both this problem and the SuperShuttle problem.

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Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay

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Whether or not a group of people is aware of their exploitation should not be a factor in whether or not a society allows their exploitation.

Ah, well. I think I can make this circular. It is perhaps exploitative to demand these laws. It's unfair treatment of Uber/Lyft employees to imposing regulatory regimes against their wishes (claiming it actually benefits them) to satisfy the political benefits/desires of an outside group. Society should not allow that exploitation to exist whether or not the outside group realizes it is exploitation.

It's pretty silly to say that protecting workers is exploitative. You're essentially trying to redefine the word "exploitation" be reversing its meaning.

Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay

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I think the idea of a tipping is demeaning personally. You wouldn’t tip a doctor who worked extra hard for you, would you?

No but I’d leave a good review and maybe write a card.

I'll do that at the restaurant next time

Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay

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So lower the price of big trips and raise the price of small trips until thing balance out?

We tried. The drivers revolted when we changed fares because they didn’t want things to change. Remember humans are irrational beings. Most were longtime drivers and knew historical fare. We just couldn’t get them to change their mindset.

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Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay

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No. It isn’t more nuanced than that. SuperShuttle couldn’t make changes because the drivers irrationally refused to work more for the same pay, even though they knew the company was failing. It really is that simple.

The drivers were not investors in the company; it failing was not a huge problem for them. Having a strong preference for leisure is totally ok. The drivers didn’t have enough stock and weren’t paid enough to motivate them to work the hours the company needed to be viable. The company failed. The investors lost all their money. The founders and employees got nothing. That’s capitalism. If they’d been right they’d hav…

The drivers are franchisees so they have huge interest in keeping the company going, otherwise they wouldn't get any trips. It was their problem. They just didn't want to change.

Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay

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No. It isn’t more nuanced than that. SuperShuttle couldn’t make changes because the drivers irrationally refused to work more for the same pay, even though they knew the company was failing. It really is that simple.

>> because the drivers irrationally refused to work more for the same pay How is this irrational? You offer me $X for Y hours of work. If X/Y gets too small I say "no" and do something with higher utility, even if that's playing flappy bird. I don't really care that my actions destroy the source of this opportunity because I've already rejected it. You are right that this is simple, just not in the way you're interpr…

Because if you don't take trips then you don't make any money. They felt entitled and refused to adapt when the market demanded it. That's irrational.

Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay

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I worked for SuperShuttle developing their driver mobile app. I can tell you for a fact that a big reason SuperShuttle failed is because the drivers were independent. They would consistently reject low cost trips and wait it out until they got one "mega" trip so that they only need to actually work for about 3 hours/day. Some days they wouldn't take any trips, just hang out in the van playing Flappy Bird. This was a…

I'm curious what you mean by failed - do you mean in the model and they had to change? California? I'm seeing Supershuttle availability right now (not in California but in the U.S.)

SuperShuttle was bleeding money from subsidizing fares to compete with ride sharing and shrunk 30% YoY for 3 years straight. The SuperShuttle that you see is now just a brand facade and the original business is on a feeding tube.
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