Live data from Hacker News

End of Japanese community

support.mozilla.org

621–630 of 820 posts

Re: End of Japanese community

#621

Ladybird and other browser alternatives cannot come fast enough. Every other week we've got a thread here about some stupid move Mozilla have made, I can't remember the last time I heard positive news about Mozilla.

There is a very loud part of HN that strongly dislikes mozilla/firefox. It's disproportionate imo, I don't understand why they're singled out so often.

For what it's worth, Firefox is the only browser I've ever used that shows me ads by default in the blank tab page.

Re: End of Japanese community

#622

> Hi Marsf, > I'm sorry for how you and the Japanese community feel about the MT workflow that we just recently introduced. Would you be interested to hop on a call with us to talk about this further? We want to make sure we trully understand what you're struggling with. > My timezone is UTC+7, so it should be easier for us to set up time. Let me know how that sound! What a horribly condescending and patronising resp…

As someone from the Netherlands I read absolutely 0 condescending or patronising behaviour in this. It just looks like someone trying to get in contact and help out. I could've written this myself, genuinely trying to help.

The condescension is coming from "We want to make sure we trully understand what you're struggling with." which is completely dismissing the points they made in the post. Basics "surely there is more to it than just what is in the post". A better response would have responded with actions/talking points to the items listed in the post. Then asking for a call for further clarification of the respondents point.

Re: End of Japanese community

#623

Isn't it fascinating that despite `while true; do claude --yolo` over a weekend being all it takes to port some project across platforms, LLMs completely fall apart when it comes to speaking grammatical and natural Japanese? Free tier Gemini CLI literally writes Android app for me by just endlessly wondering in English. AGI's here. And it struggles with Japanese. How!?

> struggles with Japanese It doesn't mention mistranslating, so it's difficult to know the root of the problem is AI "struggling". > It doesn't follow our translation guidelines. > It doesn't respect current localization for Japanese users, so they were lost. I believe this is the root of the problem. There are define processes and guidelines, and LLM isn't following it. Whether these guidelines were prompted or not…

I took this to mean it's not translating things consistently. Like, a button in Firefox might say "Show all downloads" or "Open previous windows and tabs". These were localized a certain way, but an AI has no ability to check that. It will just translate them anew, which might be the same or it might translate it to something synonymous, but which then confuses users searching for the "Display all downloads" button or whatever.

Re: End of Japanese community

#624

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it's not. It's a validation of the fact that something is so frustrating they are quitting over it. The idea that it is patronizing or condescending makes zero sense to me. It's a factual description.

Its framing the issue as something that should be fixed by a change in the mentality of Marsf, not by rolling back the changes.

No it's not. Where are you getting that? It's framing that there is an actual struggle, which is the acknowledgement that it's something they can work on resolving. Rolling back changes might be the answer.

I honestly don't understand where you're getting this cynical interpretation from. It's not in the words.

Re: End of Japanese community

#625

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gobbling up hundreds of millions of dollars to finance non-core missions and fat director bonuses while you sack the Servo development team might be a cause.

They generated that money.

They didn't, Google gave them most of that money and the community a bit as well.

Re: End of Japanese community

#626
post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the AI published under the same CC license, with attribution?

CC only works on things that are copyright protected works. Is ML model binary file a derivative works of the learning source? I don't think so.

Why not?

Re: End of Japanese community

#627
post #551

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Creative Commons License was created without any AI in mind. And > Licensees may copy, distribute, display, perform and make derivative works and remixes based on it only if they GIVE THE AUTHOR or licensor THE CREDITS

Is an ML model binary file created by using copyrighted work as its learning data, a derivative work of the copyrighted work? I don't think so.

This is the most fundamentally important question of AI-related law, and nobody knows the answer as it hasn't been tested by any court AFAIK (at least not in the US).

Re: End of Japanese community

#628

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a very loud part of HN that strongly dislikes mozilla/firefox. It's disproportionate imo, I don't understand why they're singled out so often.

I don't think it's disproportionate at all. Nerds very badly want a viable alternative to Chrome and "Chrome with s paintjob". The only alternative is Firefox, but Mozilla has been a pretty shitty company and very bad stewards of an open web. People are mad at Mozilla and Firefox because they're squandering resources on PR and "optics", shoveling in ads and AI crap instead of focusing development efforts on making Fi…

I definitely couldn't have told this better. This sums it all up.

Re: End of Japanese community

#629

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also well-known language from product managers and UX researchers trying to gather data to improve their product. And well-known language from customer support people trying to gather more information in order to escalate to the right people who can help. Your knee-jerk cynicism saddens me. If someone doesn't want to help, they generally just ignore. They generally don't suggest hopping on a call ASAP. When they…

> It's also well-known language from product managers and UX researchers trying to gather data to improve their product. And well-known language from customer support people trying to gather more information in order to escalate to the right people who can help. No it is not. The particular phrasing that was used I have never seen used in any other way than to be dismissive towards people. > Your knee-jerk cynicism s…

If you're never seen it used to be helpful, I don't know that to tell you. I have, all the time, and it seems entirely normal and unremarkable.

> My cynicism stems from roughly 20 years working as a developer

That saddens me. It seems like you've worked at some rough places, I'm sorry. But they're not all like that, and I wish you could see that.

> Not if it gets noticed and talked about on forums. It is then used as damage control.

I don't see how it's going to work as damage control. Can you explain how? Either it helps resolve things (good), or it doesn't and people keep complaining in the thread. I don't see any scenario where it controls damage. Damage control is things like locking a thread or shadowbanning. Not offering to call.

I'm really sorry you see everything through such a cynical lens.

Re: End of Japanese community

#630
post #504
post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not saying you "have" to know or that the interpretation is even correct for this case, but, just to explain: The "I'm sorry you feel this way" is quite a recent phenomenon. It started showing up in public apologies by companies and celebrities, purely for PR. It's basically a deflective euphemism for "I'm sorry that you don't like whatever happened" without really admitting culpability, sidestepping all responsibili…

"I'm sorry you feel that way" was literally the first thing I ever got taught when doing front of house/customer service training. Its definitely a super common phrase, at least in English speaking countries

Not sure if this is what you intended but you're just proving his point. Customer service is full of corporate-speak, scripted deflection, and hollow niceties. Of course the first thing you were taught was an empty apology.
Post reply on HN