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Re: How to own an airline in 3 easy steps and grab the TSA nofly list along the way

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Post by efreak » Fri, Jan 20, 2023, 11:44 PM UTC

shadowgovt wrote: post #516

vanderZwan wrote: post #447

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Arguably you need a bit of fetishization to get started with them though.

In my case, it was using Linux distros pre-vscode that got me into emacs. In that era, your choices for general-purpose developer-oriented file editor were (a) emacs, (b) vim, (c) something that was ported from another OS and either running in an emulator or running atop a library stack that barely worked on your architecture and would take like thirty seconds to boot up.

Or nano/pico for the biggest, but there were other options available. Midnight commander has an editor, too.

Re: How to own an airline in 3 easy steps and grab the TSA nofly list along the way

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Post by sammax » Fri, Jan 20, 2023, 11:54 PM UTC

blast wrote: post #331

0x44 wrote: post #191

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Singular they predates singular you in the English language by about three hundred years.

How do you know that? I know singular they goes a long way back, but this is an extreme claim that I've never heard before.

They originated around the same time, but singular you was initially only used for addressing superiors/showing respect (using the plural second person pronoun as a singular for this purpose is still a thing in a bunch of languages), a few hundred years later “you” became the standard second person singular pronoun while “thou” fell out of favour.

Re: How to own an airline in 3 easy steps and grab the TSA nofly list along the way

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Post by OkayPhysicist » Sat, Jan 21, 2023, 12:00 AM UTC

richbell wrote: post #237

alwayslikethis wrote: post #168

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My pet peeve about using "they" is it seems to imply an undue politeness or superiority. Plurality is an ancient metaphor for power, and many languages today have the same form for a plural "you" and a polite "you". Another example is the royal "we".

> My pet peeve about using "they" is it seems to imply an undue politeness or superiority I suppose it could be considered similar to Spanish and French where you have "you" (peers) and then formal "you" (authorities).

We used to have that in English with the formal "you" and informal "thou", but politeness lead to the near-exclusive use of "you" until "thou" became archaic. And now that it's archaic, people think it must have been formal. Funny little circular journey.

Re: How to own an airline in 3 easy steps and grab the TSA nofly list along the way

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Post by mixmastamyk » Sat, Jan 21, 2023, 12:12 AM UTC

mrguyorama wrote: post #603

kristofferR wrote: post #295

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Guys doesn't refer to men anymore, it's now a neutral word that can refer to both genders.

A lot of people say this, and I WANT this to be true because I don't know of a similar term that really works. I don't think most women agree. When my best friend came out as trans, I struggled to come up with a good way to refer to everyone as a group in a "hey everyone" kind of way. I eventually realized it's a stupid concept all together and walked into the room of my now mixed gendered friends while shouting "SUP…

y'allz, peeps

Re: How to own an airline in 3 easy steps and grab the TSA nofly list along the way

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Post by dang » Sat, Jan 21, 2023, 12:19 AM UTC

arcastroe wrote: post #127

This guy is a (hobbyist?) security researcher who responsibly alerts companies of vulnerabilities. However are his actions of downloading the no fly list and offering to share with journalists legal? Or does that cross into overreach and criminal activity?

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34446878.

Re: How to own an airline in 3 easy steps and grab the TSA nofly list along the way

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Post by throwaway98797 » Sat, Jan 21, 2023, 12:34 AM UTC

Larrikin wrote: post #255

ripdog wrote: post #217

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I totally understand wanting to be respectful, but respect goes both ways. She needs to respect the fact that her odd pronouns are literally breaking the English language for people who want to use them.

I personally think that the ultimate end game for pronouns in English will be creations of new ones with no connotations (so easy to apply like names) that get incorporated into the language or more likely an eventual move to a single pronoun that applies to everyone. Chinese, for example, only differentiates in written form so would be an easy adjustment. They is every high schoolers preferred choice in essays befor…

zhe

is a great non-gender pro-noun

Re: How to own an airline in 3 easy steps and grab the TSA nofly list along the way

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Post by dang » Sat, Jan 21, 2023, 12:47 AM UTC

culi wrote: post #528

dang wrote: post #332

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We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34446878 .

too political?

I think it was just that the subthread was mostly veering off topic.

Offtopicness is fine when it's fresh and whimsical but not when a thread gets sucked into old/repetitive arguments.

Re: How to own an airline in 3 easy steps and grab the TSA nofly list along the way

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Post by Jerrrry » Sat, Jan 21, 2023, 1:29 AM UTC

uiri wrote: post #554

Jerrrry wrote: post #531

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That's a constitutional right, and rights belong to citizens, not persons...

The Bill of Rights makes no distinction between citizens and non-citizens in its text. It says that rights belong to people, not exclusively to citizens of the several States. The Equal Protection clause protects citizens and non-citizens alike, e.g. Graham v. Richardson, 403 U.S. 365 (1971) The first amendment protects aliens once they are admitted to the US, Bridges v. Wixon, 326 U.S. 135 (1945) There is a right to…

Thank you, I was not aware; I implicitly thought rights were only for citizens or naturalized persons.

Re: How to own an airline in 3 easy steps and grab the TSA nofly list along the way

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Post by computerfriend » Sat, Jan 21, 2023, 3:48 AM UTC

This would be a good candidate for a k-anonymous API where you can query if a specified full name, DoB, etc., is in the list without divulging the list or the request.

Re: How to own an airline in 3 easy steps and grab the TSA nofly list along the way

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Post by hnbear » Sat, Jan 21, 2023, 3:51 AM UTC

ohbleek wrote: post #201

I had always assumed that the “no fly” list was a phrase and that it didn’t refer to an actual list, but rather a database with more detailed information than a “can they fly?” Column with a Y/N entry. In pharmacy we have a database we have to access when we suspect there is abuse, fraud, or diversion of controlled substances. The database is regularly updated with current information about prescriptions that were di…

I had a friend with a common Indian name get bounced off a flight and then be unable to book flights after it turned out he shared his name with someone on the no-fly. He had to petition his senator/congress person to get off it. TSA had no easy way to prove innocence. It was very clear the list was just a list of names with no useful or distinguishing unique fields with it.

This was roughly 10 years ago, so things might have changed, but at the time it seemed like federal agencies could easily append to the list, but there was no standard process to get off it. I'd guess there are obvious incentive for agencies to add ("hey look, we've found terrorists", even if nothing was actually done about it), and none to remove people from it.