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Brendan Eich Steps Down as Mozilla CEO

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Re: Brendan Eich Steps Down as Mozilla CEO

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Post by TheZenPsycho »

petea wrote: post #466
Crito wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobodies' right to have different viewpoints is being taken away. Nobodies' right to donate to political causes is being taken away. The only people in this entire story that were/are trying to take away the rights of others were the people who pushed for Prop 8. The right to support legislation like Prop 8 remains intact. The right to not be criticized by others for doing so has never existed in the first place. The…

It seems like most are ok with harassment and discrimination against Eich simply citing exercise of free speech. But if one-tenth of what happened to Eich had happened to someone with different sexuality or female, people would cry harassment and discrimination. Why is it ok for Eich to get huge backlashes, harassments and character assassination? I fully support same sex marriage, but I feel like treating Eich like…

Because viewpoints are not opaque little packages whose contents do not matter.

Nor are they isolated from historical context.

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Post by amadeus »

gfodor wrote: post #572
amadeus wrote: post #478

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Sorry, you're just wrong. There is no language in prop 8 that has to do with the concept of civil unions. All it DID do was define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Any debate about marriage and a government's role in it is sidestepping the issue. It's a civil rights issue, and he chose to put money in an attempt to create discrimination for a certain kind of people. There's no excuse, he doesn't deserve d…

If you are someone who believes gay people should be allowed to form civil unions, but are offended by the idea that those unions be called marriages, supporting prop 8 is consistent with those views even though it doesn't mention civil unions. I have no idea why Brendan donated $1,000 to support prop 8, and I'd be skeptical that he'd do so if he didn't actually have much stronger beliefs than the civil unions point.…

You're still stretching the point.

If you have an issue with the term marriage, then you're coming at it from a religious perspective. There's separation of church and state, it's a constitutional thing.

If you want to redefine something as a Civil Union, then you help create and vote for that specific legislation. There was/is no logical or rational reason to vote for Prop 8.

Re: Brendan Eich Steps Down as Mozilla CEO

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Post by filmgirlcw »

camus2 wrote: post #542
wyclif wrote: post #245

Gay-Rights McCarthyism Takes Brendan Eich's Scalp http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/brendan-eich-g...

Gay-Rights McCarthyism : novlang and oxymoron, you folks are used to twisting things to the max... what's next ? pro black neo nazism ?

I mean, unless we're talking about Roy Cohn. ZING

Seriously, I'm in full-agreement, but I try to get in a good Roy Cohn diss any time I can.

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Post by rodgerd »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #238
pessimizer wrote: post #173

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>even if they had absolutely no effect on his qualification or his actions on the job. There's no evidence of this either way, and the qualifications for being a CEO are nearly orthogonal to the qualifications for being a developer. He's clearly an outstanding developer; though javascript seems the product of a damaged mind, it's the water we all swim in. As a CEO, he chooses the direction of the company and manages…

What evidence is there that he's a "homophobe"? 7 million other Californians also voted for Prop 8. Does that make them all homophobes?

Tens of millions of Americans supported anti-miscegination laws. It certainly made them racists.

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Post by jychang »

tommorris wrote: post #511
eternalban wrote: post #284

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> this line of reasoning is very troubling to me .. This entire affair is troubling. This individual's livelihood was affected because of his socio-political views and activities. Your 2nd paragraph correctly underlines the more important issue.

If I walked into my office tomorrow and told people that I think women aren't humans, abused some racial minorities, my livelihood would be affected because of my socio-political views. And I'm okay with that.

No, that's not okay.

I very much disagree with the KKK, but I believe in a society where they have the right to think whatever they want about non-white people, without getting harmed.

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Post by chrismonsanto »

peterashford wrote: post #582
forgottenpass wrote: post #427

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I would have agreed years ago, but consider me jaded. All it says to me is "Yep, you're reading Hacker News."

Thank you for saying so. I find the moral compass of a lot of HN posters rather baffling sometimes. Nice to know I'm not the only one :o)

> I find the moral compass of a lot of HN posters rather baffling sometimes.

From what I can tell, pretty much everyone in this topic thinks that opposing gay marriage is immoral and donating money to Prop 8 is a bad thing. The divide is on whether it is OK to oust someone for their beliefs, given a lot of extenuating circumstances. And on HN, there are a large number of people who think yes, and a large number of people who think no.

You know what bothers me? People who try to shut down debate. Those that think not only is the other side wrong, but it's not even up for discussion. There's another poster decrying the lack of ethics in the tech community, which really is another way of saying "don't even talk about this, my opinion is right/ethical/moral, and yours is wrong/unethical/immoral."

Another way of shutting down debate is by making snarky one-liners. Why actually talk about something when you can assert that you are right, and that HN is stupid (presumably excluding the large number of people who agree with you)? What exactly are you adding to the discussion?

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Post by hkphooey »

matthewn wrote: post #422
icebraining wrote: post #360

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All rights are subject to majority vote. Or subject to the majority, anyway.

No, rights are manifestly NOT subject to a vote. That is why they are called rights .

Is marriage a civil right, or even a fundamental human right? On closer examination, the answer appears to be NO.

The campaign for gay marriage, branded as marriage equality, actually leaves many people behind.

Brothers can't marry sisters, mothers can't marry sons (nice way to avoid inheritance tax!), men and women can't join in a polygamous marriage even though there is a long history of polygamy in many cultures around the world.

It's quite ironic that the campaign for marriage equality is itself highly discriminatory.

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Post by adventured »

Borogove wrote: post #242
stefantalpalaru wrote: post #33

This is an example of what a hate-driven vocal minority can do. It's scary.

Tell that to Matthew Shepard.

What about Matthew Shepard? He wasn't killed for being gay.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/14/matthew-shepard...

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Post by rodgerd »

Oculus wrote: post #6

I'm not sure how I feel about this one. On the one hand, Brendan Eich had some beliefs that were against Mozilla's core values, but on the other hand we just showed that when a mob on the Internet wants something - they get it. It's scary because this mob has global reach, unlimited power, but isn't always right.

If the CEO says "my views on why some of my employees shouldn't have the same rights as others of my employees" that seems pretty problematic.

If this were a CEO who had been found to be donating to ban blacks and whites marrying it wouldn't even be a discussion.

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