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Apple decided not to roll out Siri in EU after denied request for exemption

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Post by Danox »

shykes wrote: post #429
Nifty3929 wrote: post #319

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Yes, exactly! Also forced EU voters to consider how much they value these services, and whether the regulations are worth it not to have them, or to have watered down versions of them. I say this without judgment - I see it as a legitimate area of consideration. I think the worst is hugely impactful laws for which exceptions are constantly carved out so nobody can truly evaluate whether the law/reg is a good one or n…

> Also forced EU voters to consider how much they value these services It's been a while since I left Europe, and I'm rusty on that particular layer of civics. Do EU voters actually have a say in this kind of regulation? Or is it all decided on the executive side which is only accountable to member states and not to individual citizens?

The lawyers and the politicians make the decisions. You really don’t think it’s the common man or woman. So there’s a year or two year tape delay.

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Post by gmueckl »

x0x0 wrote: post #577
schubidubiduba wrote: post #248

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All of that happens only if the user chooses to do it though. Anybody is free to stay in the caged Apple garden. The EU just wants them to leave the door unlocked.

That's flatly not true. imessage interop means not just the person who installs the other app, but the data of everyone with whom they message loses the security/privacy guarantees created by imessage and Apple as a corp. Including massive resources pointed at securing the app itself. That doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad idea from a competition point of view, but good ideas can be discussed w/ an honest view of t…

Apple could have worked with other companies to make RCS secure by default instead of building their own little thing that openly and intentionally discriminates non-members of their club.

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Post by gmueckl »

tzs wrote: post #606
vrganj wrote: post #405

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A popup that's like "do you want to give app XY access to this data?" is really not that hard to build... It's a lazy excuse, nothing more.

And then most users soon have given permissions to a ton of apps with sketchy records of protecting user data, so what was the point of even trying to protect privacy?

To give the users a choice? It's not Apple's responsibility to protect the users if they want to opt out.

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Post by MBCook »

bigyabai wrote: post #506
theshrike79 wrote: post #436

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If they're not "hand-selected", what would be the way to select the auditors? Just have an open house for anyone interested to come poke the hardware and software?

Have a set of clearly-defined requirements that doesn't randomly reject valid candidates? Nobody wants another opaque system like the App Store review process. By the sound of it, Apple's offered audit doesn't include insight into the most dangerous parts of a system like this. This could easily lead to a situation where real security experts are denied access to promote influencer-adjacent Yes Men who rubberstamp th…

At this point the EU doesn’t trust Apple’s fair rules. Which is very much earned.

So if they did that here, I doubt the EU would accept it. And even if they did as soon as a competitor of any side/credibility cried foul I’m sure the EU would make life very hard for Apple to prove they’re not being unfair in even the tiniest way.

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Post by tomhow »

_the_inflator wrote: post #307
afavour wrote: post #2

Apple said "hey, can we not comply with the law", the EU said no, so it didn't launch. Seems pretty straightforward to me. I can see why Apple might want to request an 18 month exemption, there's clearly extra work required to comply with EU regulations. But on the other hand it also feels like a straightforward play for consumer sympathy: let them get used to using it every day for 18 months, then pressure the EU to…

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Post by Refreeze5224 »

eykanal wrote: post #38
afavour wrote: post #2

Apple said "hey, can we not comply with the law", the EU said no, so it didn't launch. Seems pretty straightforward to me. I can see why Apple might want to request an 18 month exemption, there's clearly extra work required to comply with EU regulations. But on the other hand it also feels like a straightforward play for consumer sympathy: let them get used to using it every day for 18 months, then pressure the EU to…

Google eng mgr here. I've worked on a few projects related to compliance with various government policies. This isn't "assign a two-pizza team to it, will be done in a quarter"; these types of compliance efforts can mean completely redoing multiple core systems to handle privacy, wipeout, audit, reporting, per-location policies, etc etc. These efforts can involve hundreds to thousands of people for multiple years. Su…

Well if your product wasn't already basically spyware, it wouldn't be so much work to abide by privacy regulation frameworks, now would it? I have no sympathy for how hard it is for surveillance companies to adapt their exploitative business model to the EU.

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Post by Art9681 »

speedgoose wrote: post #257

I find it interesting that Apple prefers to fall behind in Europe rather than opening their platform a tiny bit. It gives us European some opportunities. I have a side project at work that was heavily threatened by Siri’s new features. Now I feel more relaxed as Siri isn’t coming there anytime soon. But overall I doubt we will replace Apple.

Europe is irrelevant in world affairs. It's an uncomfortable truth. They are not a powerful actor. I'm not saying this proudly. EU is idealistic. A political religion. They don't play realpolitik. Which is why the EU has no power. None. You can disagree. But you cannot ignore the truth. You don't have to like the nations that have real power. I don't either. But the biggest mistake we can make is turning our backs on reality.

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Post by mulmen »

consp wrote: post #521
tonoto wrote: post #508

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It might be that we have a say, but there are a lot of decisions happening in Brussels that it "feels like" we, EU voters, don't have a say in. Such as: - Chat Control - Vehicle regulations (mandates on "eCall", disturbing audio visuals and other "safety measuers) in Regulation (EU) 2018/858 - Eventual upcoming ethanol restrictions - Ban on plastic drinking straws - Drink caps that are stuck to the bottles - Ban on p…

Don't know where you get your apples but I can buy 1 if I want. Just not at the supermarket since they optimise to sell you more than you need. No regulation involved here.

Care to share your secret?
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