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Post by dragonwriter »

aspenmayer wrote: post #604
dragonwriter wrote: post #467

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Yeah, I think people outside of the socialist sphere whose understanding of ideology is limited to a one-dimensional spectrum see it as a slur by moderate socialists against more extreme socialists but that's not how it is seen by those using it.

I liken the concept of tankie to that of jumping the shark by Fonzie on Happy Days . I wonder if there's some kind of portmanteau going on there in the etmology? Maybe a (now-discontinued SAT test style) analogy will help show how I think this might have occurred, or a least provide a potentially helpful backronymic mnemonic device? I think I have made my relations clear conceptually, and I think the analogy works an…

The precipitating incident for "tankie" isn't "Tank Man" (or even the Tiananmen Square incident in China in 1989 more generally), but the suppression of the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 by the invasion by the USSR the same year.

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by teachrdan »

dragonwriter wrote: post #201
teachrdan wrote: post #178

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> You may not directly see him, but the whole school would know about it, even if he was just there for 5 minutes. My question would be: If the Bible was written by an omniscient and all-powerful God, then why does it have so many inaccuracies in it? Easy ones include a global flood that killed every animal on Earth. (Except for the two of each animal on Noah's ark, which would have overheated with so many animals in…

> If the Bible was written by an omniscient and all-powerful God, then why does it have so many inaccuracies in it? This would be a very good gotcha for a religion that believed the Bible was written by God (or at least dictated verbatim) and that it was intended to be a purely literal factual account, neither of which are majority positions within Christian theology (Fundamentalism, in which close approximations of…

> This would be a very good gotcha for a religion that believed the Bible was written by God

Fair enough! But if God is all powerful and all knowing, he decided to make the bible incorrect. Why would he do that?

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Post by aspenmayer »

dragonwriter wrote: post #611
aspenmayer wrote: post #604

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I liken the concept of tankie to that of jumping the shark by Fonzie on Happy Days . I wonder if there's some kind of portmanteau going on there in the etmology? Maybe a (now-discontinued SAT test style) analogy will help show how I think this might have occurred, or a least provide a potentially helpful backronymic mnemonic device? I think I have made my relations clear conceptually, and I think the analogy works an…

The precipitating incident for "tankie" isn't "Tank Man" (or even the Tiananmen Square incident in China in 1989 more generally), but the suppression of the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 by the invasion by the USSR the same year.

That is helpful context, much appreciated!

Do you know when tankie was first used in this authoritarian socialist sense, or is that what you're saying?

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by dragonwriter »

aspenmayer wrote: post #613
dragonwriter wrote: post #611

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The precipitating incident for "tankie" isn't "Tank Man" (or even the Tiananmen Square incident in China in 1989 more generally), but the suppression of the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 by the invasion by the USSR the same year.

That is helpful context, much appreciated! Do you know when tankie was first used in this authoritarian socialist sense, or is that what you're saying?

> Do you know when tankie was first used in this authoritarian socialist sense, or is that what you're saying?

My understanding is that it was first used in the immediate aftermath of 1956 in internal criticism within the British Communist Party, and gained wider international currency after the Prague Sprint in 1968.

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by ahowes83 »

throwup238 wrote: post #553
hinkley wrote: post #378

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John Goodman’s character in O Brother was a man who realized selling bibles was a lucrative business. He was a con man. I think you’re on the right track. It’s not the betters but the bookie who you need to look askance at here.

> John Goodman’s character in O Brother was a man who realized selling bibles was a lucrative business. He was a con man. John Goodman also played the patriarch of a Megachurch family in the Righteous Gemstones. Maybe there's a pattern there? He did play a Senator in Alpha House too.

He looks like a “Good Old Boy”

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Post by aspenmayer »

dragonwriter wrote: post #614
aspenmayer wrote: post #613

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That is helpful context, much appreciated! Do you know when tankie was first used in this authoritarian socialist sense, or is that what you're saying?

> Do you know when tankie was first used in this authoritarian socialist sense, or is that what you're saying? My understanding is that it was first used in the immediate aftermath of 1956 in internal criticism within the British Communist Party, and gained wider international currency after the Prague Sprint in 1968.

Do you have a source? I don't doubt you, I just am looking for good slang sources since I lost my last good one. That is, I used to have a slang dictionary, but I gave it as a gift to someone as a child and have regretted it ever since, as the recipient doesn't seem to have it anymore, and I haven't ever been able to find a decent one before or since, though I haven't really looked very hard. My old one had a lot of old slang common among WWII and other military members and veterans that I've never seen before, for instance.

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by [deleted] »

blendergeek wrote: post #21

This article fails to address that most true believers would not see any point to betting on the yes. If Christ returns this year, the world is done and there is no upside to having bet that he would. Temporal things (like prediction markets) will cease to be interesting when Christ returns. Given that, I highly doubt that the people betting yes actually believe that Christ will return this year.

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Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by recursivedoubts »

HexDecOctBin wrote: post #603
recursivedoubts wrote: post #586

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Did I say anything about abrahamic religions?

No, but you did talk about pagans in a demeaning fashion.

I did, and I included a greek pagan quote to give context to the philosophy to which I was contrasting the 'religion' that OP was criticizing.

I think you are reading too much into a word and perhaps looking to be offended.

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #597
paulryanrogers wrote: post #494

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There is no dissonance in Catholic faith / philosophy? No hoop jumping to explain why Biblical claims don't match the lived experience of most people?

No.

Of course, the burden of proof is on the person claiming there is dissonance. He must a) define what he means by dissonance, and b) show that this tradition is characterized by it.

We didn't get that.

Instead, we got a downvote. So much more intellectual maturity and integrity.

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by recursivedoubts »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #607
recursivedoubts wrote: post #571

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i don't know what that means, but I still think the strong shouldn't take advantage of the weak, and I think all humans know that's true

I can see how that's appealing. One of the most common human behaviors is creating rules or in this case moral rules, and then doing a mental switcheroo where they forget that they made the rules and attribute them to universal principles, reality, truth, etc. In general, the process of believing concepts are real objects - simply observations of reality - is called reification. Every society does it and the result i…

Is the powerful taking advantage of the weak part of the magnificence of the diversity of human experience?

I mean, I can see the powerful claiming such a thing. To return to my original quote, which is certainly a consistent philosophy: "strong do what they like the weak suffer what they must"

Athens was quite magnificent I understand.

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