Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development • Hacker News Board

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by bhupy » Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 6:56 PM UTC

patmorgan23 wrote: post #604

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The restrictions on speech in the US are confined to “imminent lawless action”, per Brandenburg v Ohio. I think the commenter to whom you are replying might be entirely fine with Reddit’s speech policy following that precedent. And no, shouting “fire!” in a crowded theater is not illegal and is protected by the First Amendment.

But you can't shout fire in crowed theater with the intent to cause chaos. You can shout fire in a crowded theater, if there is an actual fire.

Yes you can! That argument was made in a SCOTUS argument that has since been unanimously overturned.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-tim...

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by michaelmrose » Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 6:56 PM UTC

ashtonkem wrote: post #602

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Do you use reddit on a mobile browser?

Yes, I said that.

Reddit has been garbage on mobile browsers for a while have you tried any of the unofficial reddit apps? I in particular like RIF but there are several.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by TulliusCicero » Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 7:10 PM UTC

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1. Referring to them as just "different politics" covers up the hateful, violent ideologies we're talking about. 2. Wanting them to be banned from a particular platform isn't a general ban on communication. Private communities are under no obligation to tolerate the intolerant.

The domain-name removals, the mastercard and visa bans, and the app bans are the actions of private companies in name only. What this is, despite pretending otherwise, is an exercise of a form of state power. When exercised against a nation, we recognize it as a sanction. But when exercised against an individual, it is something different. In reality, there is no practical difference between this and state censorship…

> The domain-name removals, the mastercard and visa bans, and the app bans are the actions of private companies in name only.

No, they're completely the actions of private companies.

It turns out, private companies exist in a mostly-shared culture and often have similar ideas about how to behave. Currently -- thank god -- deplatforming blatant bigots is generally agreed upon as A Good Thing. No conspiracy here, just good sense.

> Rather than being used to target and remove individuals who promote instability, it has been used to target and remove individuals who promote stability.

Seriously? White supremacists are now "individuals who promote stability"?

> Much of the United States now believes property destruction is acceptable if it achieves honorable ends.

I mean, yeah, the US has always believed that. The country had basically two starting points, after all: stealing the natives' land, and then later on destroying property as part of a protest.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by door99 » Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 7:19 PM UTC

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In fact, I'd argue that anybody who's not explicitly anti-fascist is at the very least comfortable with fascism.

I am anti-fascist. Neo-Nazis and anyone who espouse similar views will get absolutely no love from me. That doesn't mean I stand with Antifa.

>I am anti-fascist

>That doesn't mean I stand with Antifa.

Do you know what antifa is short for

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Post by LockAndLol » Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 7:22 PM UTC

rolleiflex wrote: post #210

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> Aether is a relatively large app with an Electron and Go toolchain, at 100,000+ lines of code. Getting it to compile requires setting up a correct build runtime with the latest versions of Go, Node (for Electron) and C dependencies and development environments. Expect the initial set-up to take a few hours. Be patient! Is Electron a hard dependency or is there a core lib that can be wrapped by the GUI framework of…

Actually, we have recently improved on this, it’s probably now less than half an hour of setup, at least on Linux. The new guide is on the Github repo: https://gist.github.com/nehbit/4a8c3d81d543e85c9df974f521732... We use Electron exclusively for GUI. The real app is a Go binary with a GRPC API. It’s all fully isolated, so if you don’t want to touch any Electron, you don’t have to. Use the API to build a CLI app, fo…

> Both are properly isolated and talk to each other only over declared GRPC APIs. I’ve tried very hard to keep it hackable that way.

That's a great architecture! I look forward to hacking on it when I have the time!

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by nexuist » Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 7:30 PM UTC

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If you can't speak out or express thoughts against the rules, you are ceding your own ability to ever change the rules. Allowing a small subset of people to control the rules for the masses has never, will never, and could not ever work in a free society. The small groups of Twitter and Reddit moderators are far too small to ever represent the diversity of human thought. You may think the rules prevent harm today, bu…

>If you can't speak out or express thoughts against the rules, you are ceding your own ability to ever change the rules. Allowing a small subset of people to control the rules for the masses has never, will never, and could not ever work in a free society. That's funny, I find the moderators stifle talking about the rules on Hackernews via secret shadowbans, post rate limiting, and other secret punishments...yet here…

> That's funny, I find the moderators stifle talking about the rules on Hackernews via secret shadowbans, post rate limiting, and other secret punishments...yet here you are.

I'm on HN because dang and the others in charge of moderating repeatedly make good faith efforts to explain their moderation philosophy and keep the rules updated and visible.

If Twitter and Reddit moderators were as public as dang were I would feel far more comfortable relying on them to make decisions for me.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by berkes » Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 7:52 PM UTC

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more than you'd think! https://fediverse.network/

A drop in the ocean. Needs to be a couple of orders of magnitude greater to start becoming significant.

When it is useful to even just one person, it is useful.

Open Source doesn't need 'masses' in order to 'be successful. A lot of people make the mistake of applying generic economics to Open Source and related communities.

A federated mastodon or Lemmy instance is successful the moment one or more people use and enjoy it, nothing more. It does not need to have huge audiences to advertise to. It does not need to have Big Data to mine and sell. It doesn't need to pay employees, offices and bonuses. All it needs is one person enjoying it. Or two people having a meaningful interaction, to be successful .

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Post by xfitm3 » Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 8:43 PM UTC

esperent wrote: post #482

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Their first rule would block most of that and seems to make it pretty clear they don’t want to host those communities: > No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct. Code of conduct links to https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUC... Their rules are a lot stricter than Reddit’s. I’m not sure how that in practice works with it being federated, but ass…

They lump porn (presumably also artistic nudity) along with hate speech, racism and so on as banned discourse. You're not even allowed to have a sexual alias. This is not necessarily a bad thing for users - I often wish for a place similar to hacker news but with a wider range of topics - however, it almost certainly means they will never reach Reddit levels of popularity. I do think that Reddit fills an important ni…

> I do think that Reddit fills an important niche - a place where any topic is open for discussion

This used to be the case years ago but Reddit is anything but open now. It's a giant echo chamber and if you harbor unpopular beliefs or opinions you are not welcome.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by webmaven » Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 9:26 PM UTC

brian-armstrong wrote: post #447

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You’ve got to give people a space to consider both sides of every argument. Better to cordone off that space than have that discussion elsewhere. If you tell someone NEVER GO INTO THE LAST DOOR ON THE THIRD STORY, they’ll endlessly wonder what’s inside. If you show them that it’s your amateur paintings, they’ll never care again.

This is either misinformed or just directly a bad faith argument. Leaving these communities around is, indeed, very much like letting a wound fester. There isn't really any doubt now that people can use platforms to radicalize others to extreme and often dangerous viewpoints. What's being banned is not a rational space for discussion between reasoned gentlemen, it's a place where people escalate emotions and whip eac…

> Leaving these communities around is, indeed, very much like letting a wound fester. There isn't really any doubt now that people can use platforms to radicalize others to extreme and often dangerous viewpoints."

Interesting... I don't think I've previously seen the argument that such communities are, in effect, an "attractive nuisance".

A similar argument applies to pro-anorexia communities, although the danger there is self-harming behavior.

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Post by hanniabu » Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 9:36 PM UTC

9HZZRfNlpR wrote: post #443

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> Huh, I hadn't used new reddit in a long time, I actually took a look now and it seems like it has improved significantly. The UI itself isn't horrible, it's the UX. It's incredibly bulky and slow, and some user links have been hidden while others completely removed.

New reddit must be the slowest website out there, on mobile where I'm not logged in it takes ages to load. Then ages to kill all sort of pop ups that force me to use their app. I believe they don't care about UX and speed of the site, it's all about the app. They measure app downloads, not the experience on the site.

Not to mention the worst video player