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Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by whattheheckheck »

michaelcampbell wrote: post #593
user34283 wrote: post #138

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They slapped a 7.5x “promotional” multiplier on Opus 4.7 and they are removing Opus 4.6 in short order. I heard they disabled signups for non-business accounts too. Best forget about using Claude Opus models in Copilot.

> Best forget about using Claude Opus models in Copilot. I noticed this morning that Opus isn't even one of the models in the `/model` command in Copilot. Highest I can get (on the paid, but least expensive) tier is Sonnet 4.6. I'm pretty sure Opus was allowed recently, but not now.

Yeha not thrilled about that.

Looks like you gotta build your own agent harness and self host or use aws bedrock for "sovereignty"

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by Nevermark »

gip wrote: post #249
toraway wrote: post #230

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Wait what, so they're testing giving new users misleading information about included services in each tier as an upsell tactic?

It could be an A/B test to see whether people without an existing subscription care about Claude Code (CC) at all. If they sign up then CC is disabled (or not as it is not really an issue to offer more). Capturing that info would definitely be useful to a growth team.

They need to give the non-code service a different name.

And a slightly lower price.

If it succeeds they can adjust pricing later.

Otherwise they are messing with their new and old customers heads, regarding a service with a name that ought to be reliably interpretable. And seriously messing with their own credibility. Wrong kind of A/B test.

This is incompetence which i would normally discount. But Anthropic seems to be falling all over themselves to irritate customers.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by butlike »

I hope they really botch Claude Code to give all the developers a wakeup call about making a hard dependency to a for-profit entity that's essentially in it's startup phase. Like, we wouldn't adopt some newfangled framework just because it was on the front page of Hacker News. Why did we all jump on the new unproven technology here?

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by theptip »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #491
theptip wrote: post #434

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It’s pretty reasonable to say “demand is way up, quality is up, supply is constrained, and so price needs to rise”. It seems weird to segment this way though. Surely it’s better to just give Sonnet to your bottom tier, rather than cut out the entire Claide Code product entirely? Give folks a taste rather than lock the whole product behind a $100/mo plan.

But if Sonnet is bad it would give bad impression of the product, no? And it also takes compute, so you give a bad hallucinating impression of your product while still losing compute.

It’s not bad though, it’s crazy good in comparison to any model older than 1y old. If you don’t have access to any vibe coding at all it’s gonna be life changing.

But I think you are right, as long as Codex and Gemini are cheap alternatives then vs. 1yo models isn’t the correct comp.

Then it’s probably better to just resegment the whole Claude Code product as an enterprise only tier. (That also has the advantage of kicking out all the Claw subscribers that screw over the token limit economics for normal $20/mo users.)

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by parineum »

Aurornis wrote: post #428
parineum wrote: post #298

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Yeah, that's where the realization led me too. These companies probably need to be forced to at least try to price their products at a level that would be sustainable long term.

This happens naturally because no company can run at a loss forever. I think it's funny that we're getting subsidized and discounted services and this makes some people so angry that the comment section is demanding laws that would force companies to charge us more.

Of course but they can run at that rate long enough to make it impossible for another company to compete and go bankrupt. Which is the problem.

Like I said, this is the iconic strategy of monopolies. They take their pool of money, move into a new market, lower prices below cost until local competition withers away then buy their assets at bankruptcy prices and raise prices to whatever they want. Those temporary discounts are designed to kill competition, innovation and choice.

VC subsidized prices are exactly as bad for the market as that. It's unclear to me if the intent is the same but intent doesn't really matter.

I'd also like to state that I'm not angry about it.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #571
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #554

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The thinking appears to be that a model that can do the work of a developer must be worth a significant share of a developer salary. I think this idea is flawed. Developer salaries are driven up by scarcity - scarcity of developer skills overall and scarcity of developer skills in specific places like California. If AI models destroy the scarcity then the price worth paying for a coding agent will drop dramatically.…

But if e.g. a developer can do 50% more, shouldn't it be worth it to pay up to 50% of developer salary for the product? So the % is debatable of course. There's cases where an AI agent can save weeks worth of investigation, there's cases where you are mainly blocked due to processes, and many different circumstances. It's up to every company on their own to decide it. But if they decide it's 50%, why shouldn't they s…

>But if e.g. a developer can do 50% more, shouldn't it be worth it to pay up to 50% of developer salary for the product?

That's the upper bound but it's not the market price.

Accounting software (+ hardware) doesn't cost nearly as much as the accountant hours it saves. Accountant salaries are simply not a relevant yardstick for the price that software vendors can charge for accounting software.

Equally, the market price for code generators will not stay anywhere near the price of developer hours it saves. It will be determined by competition.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by nocman »

inetknght wrote: post #587
estomagordo wrote: post #476

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That's literally any software subscription ever.

So you're perfectly okay with repeatedly paying for a shit product, getting shat on by the company in the form of being tested for feedback, and "maybe" getting a better product in the future. Mind you, that "better" isn't necessarily better for you but more explicitly better for the company you're paying . Sounds like someone who doesn't care about being a sheep. Or maybe someone whose salary depends on having sheep…

I think you are making far too wide-sweeping statements. I think most people here probably agree that if Anthropic drops Claude Code from the Pro plan after people have paid with the understanding that it is part of the package, that would be wrong, and they deserve to lose business over it. However, there are plenty of situations where A/B testing is entirely benign, and I would not have any problem with a company doing that testing without getting consent first. Every form of A/B testing is not done just for the gain of the company doing the testing.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by pixel_popping »

F7F7F7 wrote: post #404
geetee wrote: post #268

The rug pull is coming

Max is next. He essentially admits to it in one of his tweets/posts. Explicitly citing it as an example of how they misjudged usage relative to pricing.

I wish they actually start doing $500 or $1000 a month plan to avoid having to use so many accounts to get work done.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by [deleted] »

dodobirdlord wrote: post #435
Esophagus4 wrote: post #414

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Is it? I’m curious because I thought they were raising prices to pay for exorbitant training costs, not because subscribers are expensive on a unit basis. I thought inference was cheap so there was little marginal cost of a new subscriber.

This was more or less true until everyone and their dog started running agents in a 24/7 busyloop as a bit.

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