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Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#601
The american left is lagging behind in therms of political theory and this "identitarian ideology" is a symptom of that. The fact that this ideology now is being imported by leftists in other countries creates a really bad image of the whole political movement.

It is interesting that this innocuous terminological justice is now a thing in a lot of english speaking social environments (and internet), as far as I can tell, but is a joke for the majority of population (included left organizations and political parties) where I live. This is, for me, a clear sign of the elitist agenda that has minimal impact in the real life, but delight the middle-class left of american universities.

I consider myself a left minded person, and being from a third world country, I first was amused by this when this started since I do a general research of leftists movements around the world. But now that this evolved on a entire "ideology" (quoted because it has really poor political substance) and is now present, albeit not as much as in the USA and Europe, in my country, my take is that this is a dissuasive factor in the political development of the masses.

Sorry for my english.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#602

I want to share my own reactions to the name change since this is a really interesting topic. For context, I'm an African American, so many of my ancestors were slaves. - The first time it occurred to me that "master" in this context could offend anyone was when GitHub changed the name (and broke my workflow). - My immediate reaction was, "this change is by white people for white people," where "white" means anyone w…

Or I'll reflect about an American company imposing change to the rest of the world about domestic issues.

Fair enough. American companies (and people) definitely have a home bias. I guess to be constructive, I would suggest that perhaps there are parallels in your country.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#603

I want to share my own reactions to the name change since this is a really interesting topic. For context, I'm an African American, so many of my ancestors were slaves. - The first time it occurred to me that "master" in this context could offend anyone was when GitHub changed the name (and broke my workflow). - My immediate reaction was, "this change is by white people for white people," where "white" means anyone w…

This. These changes to remove subconscious bias from our language are necessary. They are microaggressions which the average user doesn't even realize exist- but which do harms to some individuals in our society. This may be a minority group within our society- even a very small fraction of a percent- but removing biases which are perceived as harmful is one way that we as an organization demonstrate that we are bein…

Your entire theory ascribes a mysticism to language that is not evidence based at all.

Changes to language like removing the term master are absurd and performative. You have jumped onto a movement that is operating like a religion. Telltale signs are capitalization of certain words that aren't normally capitalized, and making a big deal about certain interchangeable words.

Growing up as an evangelical Christian I was not allowed to say the word lucky and was insisted that I would say blessed instead. The people who were a minority of my church that made a big deal this did so for personal gain in the social hierarchy.

You can sit here and moan all day long about stupid theories that came out of disciplines in universities where the practitioners are universally illiterate in statistics.

At the end of the day the entire theory is rooted around essays and very very shaky implicit bias science where the test which I have taken several times are not reproducible for a single individual. Depending on the day I take an implicit bias test I am either anti-black or anti-white.

Naturally there's no implicit bias test that has other races featured because these all came from US universities who have a myopic view on race driven by politics and title 9.

Enjoy your silly religion. The rest of us are going to set about building a better world for everyone while you ride along on the technical progress and its fruits.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#604

I want to share my own reactions to the name change since this is a really interesting topic. For context, I'm an African American, so many of my ancestors were slaves. - The first time it occurred to me that "master" in this context could offend anyone was when GitHub changed the name (and broke my workflow). - My immediate reaction was, "this change is by white people for white people," where "white" means anyone w…

This. These changes to remove subconscious bias from our language are necessary. They are microaggressions which the average user doesn't even realize exist- but which do harms to some individuals in our society. This may be a minority group within our society- even a very small fraction of a percent- but removing biases which are perceived as harmful is one way that we as an organization demonstrate that we are bein…

lol.

https://wptavern.com/proposal-to-rename-the-master-branch-fr...

`main` is just as bad as `master` but for a part of the world which is not domestic US.

Plus... you do know there's this thing called "Masters" degree, right?

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#605
post #429

Saying that the left spends too much effort on rhetoric might be valid criticism, but focusing on it as reasons to "walk away from the left" (which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW) is disingenuous. Sure, the left talks about rhetoric, but it also fights for higher wages, civil liberties, healthcare, affirmative action, investment in education, workers' rights, and voting rights. It's fine not to like ever…

Look at you, you can't even respond to a black American who disagrees with you without telling him how to think, you are the American left.

Biden: 'If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black'

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/politics/biden-charlamagne-th...

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#607

I want to share my own reactions to the name change since this is a really interesting topic. For context, I'm an African American, so many of my ancestors were slaves. - The first time it occurred to me that "master" in this context could offend anyone was when GitHub changed the name (and broke my workflow). - My immediate reaction was, "this change is by white people for white people," where "white" means anyone w…

This. These changes to remove subconscious bias from our language are necessary. They are microaggressions which the average user doesn't even realize exist- but which do harms to some individuals in our society. This may be a minority group within our society- even a very small fraction of a percent- but removing biases which are perceived as harmful is one way that we as an organization demonstrate that we are bein…

I'm not entirely sure I can disagree with you more.

> Removing harms from how organizations execute their business operations is part of inclusivity. It's not cargo culting, it's not engaging in a self-pleasuring but pointless behavior, it's not a meaningless act that carries no value- it's ensuring that our organization does as little harm to folks as possible as we move forward doing business in the world.

Serious question - What harm are you removing here?

Let me ask again - Who is being harmed, how is this helping them?

Because to me... I see a giant company (MSFT) using political theatre as advertising.

Worse, as a developer in one of the areas that's actually fairly racially diverse (South Atlanta) I sure as fuck don't see any of my black co-workers doing anything other than roll their eyes at this.

This was a change engineered by white people, to appeal to white people's current sense of morality, so that a large company can continue its practices of fucking minority and non-white folks over, and yet here you are congratulating them on wasting billions of dollars on it.

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#608
When Darth Vader tells Luke that one day Luke will call him master, is he also committing a microagression?

Maybe the writers were, but I doubt it. To most English speakers master just means person in control or source of truth.

Or we should retcon Star Wars. Time to ban some more books and film I guess. Yay?

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#609
Even when it's an overt master-controlling-slave analogy, what's the actual problem with that?

It's not like there's any 'har-har silly slave' value judgement attached, why is it any different to 'teacher and pupil', 'controller and controlled', 'leader and follower'?

Re: GitHub, fuck your name change

#610
post #592

I'm Asian, wasn't born in America and didn't grew up in America as well. I don't have a horse in this race. I don't feel annoyed to change that term. I'm only annoyed if someone guilt trip me if I don't change the name out of ignorance (i.e, I don't follow politics, no time for social media). I don't think I have any bias against women or minority in tech. Changing main or master or slave doesn't ring a bell or evoke…

> "Oh why not, because she is a woman?" and I was like "wow, where did that come from? what does that even mean?" and since that day I know that US racial issue is fucked up big time.

But what does your example have to do with race?

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