This is so exciting. Makes Tom Clancy novels seem dull and predictable.
I cant wait for the movie!
Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong
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Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong
#62"What is being done to Mr Snowden and to Mr Julian Assange - for making or facilitating disclosures in the public interest - is an assault against the people." What exactly is being "done" to Julian Assange? The only reason he's stuck in the embassy is because of rape accusations.
Actually he said he would go to Sweden if they promised not to extradite him to the USA and they refused.
Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong
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What's really sad is that this guy is going to learn really fast that he's now in a sphere where the rules simply don't apply. He's put himself in play and he's going to learn very quickly that he has few friends where a nation considers the information in his brain essential to their national security. http://www.amazon.com/The-Flight-Falcon-Manhunt-Americas/dp/... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Falcon_and_the_Sno…
Yeah, as seen from far away, Latin America is just CIA's backyard, and as far as I know they have no restrain there.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
Remember that the Russians killed Litvinenko in the middle of Mayfair, London, UK.
The Israelis killed Mahmoud Hamshari in Paris.
Remember that these were all nuclear nations.
I'll leave the research of any possible US involvements as an exercise to the reader.
Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong
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I hope this is a sarcastic comment.
Thank you for adding nothing to the discussion.
There is nothing to add, as it wasn't a discussion. You put forward the assertion that the entire thing is a hoax and that Snowden is a Chinese spy. You provided absolutely zero evidence. And you expect me to "add to the discussion?" What a joke.
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#65Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong
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Nope: diplomatic immunity extends only to diplomats and their immediate families. As Snowden is neither, and cannot be nominated as one without the host country's approval, there's nothing stopping Russia or Cuba from detaining Snowden if they wanted to, no matter how many Elbonian diplomats he's travelling with. (Source: I used to have diplomatic immunity.)
I was under the impression that they were flying on a privately owned plane. That does not seem to be the case, but it may be on their next leg of the journey. I do not have direct knowledge, but I would think that if the plane is of the diplomat, then the whole plane could be considered to be territory of the nation of the diplomat, therefore the diplomat could offer him asylum while on the plane. If I wasn't clear,…
Hey, remember when a US warship shot down an Iranian Civilian Airliner? Ooopsie!
Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong
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Ill go a step further. Snowmen is really a bellwether event created by this administration to either provide a redemption story for the Obama administration, should the public object too strongly-- or to test if surveillance can be taken much farther (if the public remains apathetic)
> Snowden is really a bellwether event. Why would Obama sanction deeply-embarrassing revelations and expose the staggering depth of warrantless spying?
Maybe Obama is deeply opposed to the whole thing himself, but it's so entrenched he couldn't really do anything about it. Think of how he gets blocked routinely in the public view and imagine what cut throat stuff must be going on behind the scenes. So maybe this is a way to do an end run around whoever is keeping these shenanigans in place.
This is almost certainly not the case, but that's the answer that came to mind when you asked the question.
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Exactly how would this work? WikiArmy?
Sure. A modern underground railroad if thats what it takes.
Uhh...
An underground railroad would be a serious proposition. UR was a nasty... and noble... group of people who were perfectly willing to go MUCH further than the authorities or the slave catchers.
I'll give an example, Pinkerton, though it was probably not generally known at the time, was a white operative in this organization. Now after the Civil War, we get some idea of the tactics that Pinkerton and his "coworkers" got up to in the UR.
For instance, when Pinkerton was sent after The James Gang, who he hated, as he saw the James family as slavers AND traitors... he went and threw incendiary devices into the James home. We know now that he fully intended to burn the home down, and probably intended to kill James' mother. The US Government had to call the Pinkertons off.
Would WikiLeaks or a "WikiArmy" be willing to use such tactics? I doubt it.
Another example, the Spanish government hired Pinkerton to help in dealing with a revolution [in Cuba] that intended abolition and suffrage. Six months later... the Cuban abolitionists came to power. So deceit on that level was not beyond the capabilities of the UR.
I'm not sure WikiLeaks has this level of capability.
They were also quiet. Extremely quiet. Underground railroad was not even the name of the organization... it's just the name the American public gave it when it became clear that SOMETHING must have been going on. So these guys were so quiet and disciplined for the time that no one even knew what the organization was called. Or even who was in it, or relative ranks.
I just mention this because a great deal is known about WikiLeaks... so I'm not sure they would make a good underground railroad.
Also, the UR was willing to sacrifice much more than their opponents. Consider, blacks would generally be willing to sacrifice MANY blacks to protect the identity of a white operative... who were more valuable to the blacks for obvious reasons.
Does WikiLeaks or Anonymous have an in-built group of soldiers whose loyalty is without question? Who would be willing to endure great pain or even death to keep its secrets?
I'm just saying... these people are so imitated because they were VERY effective at what they did. They LITERALLY used sex and murder if it suited their ends. They wrote books, music and news to shape public opinion. But all of that was just for starters... They also destabilized economies! And the overthrow of governments was not ruled out as a means of accomplishing their objectives. Most importantly, these people had a proven capability to actually accomplish any of those missions!
Sound familiar?
It should... the UR was, in a very real way, the precursor to the Union's intelligence service during the war. Even after the war... I mean it was Pinkerton who founded the Secret Service! The OSS is the UR's great grandchild, so the CIA is part of that lineage as well. Pinkerton's methods, the UR's methods, still inform investigation and intelligence gathering and even counter intel and insurgency today.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm sure SOME clicktivists are willing to go as far as the black runaways and Northern whites were...
What I am NOT certain of, is whether ANY clicktivists are willing to ENDURE as much as the UR was willing to endure in the pursuit of its goals.
Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, as seen from far away, Latin America is just CIA's backyard, and as far as I know they have no restrain there.
You took the words right out of my mouth. Remember that the Russians killed Litvinenko in the middle of Mayfair, London, UK. The Israelis killed Mahmoud Hamshari in Paris. Remember that these were all nuclear nations. I'll leave the research of any possible US involvements as an exercise to the reader.
These sort of tricks are precisely why Snowden went public.