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Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by foobarqux » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 2:55 PM UTC

jpatokal wrote: post #18

Andrew_Quentin wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would think the plane is safe and perhaps the plane could be considered as territory of the nation of the diplomat therefore the diplomat could offer him asylum on the plane if need be, but I may be wrong about the latter.

Nope: diplomatic immunity extends only to diplomats and their immediate families. As Snowden is neither, and cannot be nominated as one without the host country's approval, there's nothing stopping Russia or Cuba from detaining Snowden if they wanted to, no matter how many Elbonian diplomats he's travelling with. (Source: I used to have diplomatic immunity.)

In your opinion what were some of the best benefits of having diplomatic immunity?

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by enraged_camel » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 3:06 PM UTC

Tangaroa wrote: post #47

synctext wrote: post #4

Why is this trip of Snowden made into a media event? The Aeroflot flight number was public! Is this to counter a secret rendition attempt? Did we wake-up in a world with 007 stuff happening to real computer nerds, not just high-paid actors?

The entire Snowden hoax is a media event, a PR campaign to cover up the fact that he spied on the US for foreign powers. It's the most effective case of spin and damage control that I've ever seen.

I hope this is a sarcastic comment.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by cjfont » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 3:09 PM UTC

justsee wrote: post #36

jpatokal wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you serious? Chavez spent his entire period in office warping the machinery of the state in his favor, and his successor is refusing to investigate some pretty serious allegations of fraud for the last one. http://www.economist.com/news/americas/21579458-real-questio...

"Chávez himself read my findings on potential elections theft – to his nation on his TV show – and then he moved swiftly, establishing an election system that Jimmy Carter, who has headed vote observer teams in 92 nations, called, 'an election process that is the best in the world'. Here's how it works: every Venezuelan voter gets TWO ballots. One is electronic, the second is a paper print-out of the touch-screen bal…

The way I understand it, the ballot by itself does not unique ly identify the voter -- however in addition to the physical and electronic ballots, an electoral notebook records the vote and links the ballot to the voter's identity. As part of their "audit", The CNE refused to include the information from the notebooks, and thus irregularities such as an individual voting multiple times as a deceased person would not be able to be detected.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by outside1234 » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 3:13 PM UTC

reaganing wrote: post #31

So cute how Wikileaks is always trying to insert themselves into this story.

Unlike most of us just commenting on the story, they are doing something, and I applaud them for it.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by awakeasleep » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 3:14 PM UTC

drawkbox wrote: post #49

Playing devil's advocate here, and watched a bunch of spy movies... What if Snowden is still a CIA agent (he was a CIA agent for years before NSA) and this is actually a snowjob/whitewash by the government to deflect attention or essentially control the message about news they knew would be released (diffusing that/controlling that message) and black-ops about China, Russia, Cuba + Venezuela how they treat/process po…

Ill go a step further. Snowmen is really a bellwether event created by this administration to either provide a redemption story for the Obama administration, should the public object too strongly-- or to test if surveillance can be taken much farther (if the public remains apathetic)

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by Tangaroa » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 3:14 PM UTC

enraged_camel wrote: post #52

Tangaroa wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire Snowden hoax is a media event, a PR campaign to cover up the fact that he spied on the US for foreign powers. It's the most effective case of spin and damage control that I've ever seen.

I hope this is a sarcastic comment.

Thank you for adding nothing to the discussion.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by outside1234 » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 3:15 PM UTC

Venezuela? Oh no. I feel like this is going to end badly for Snowden. Its hard to imagine him not getting scooped up in a black helicopter now.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by t0dd » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 3:17 PM UTC

reaganing wrote: post #31

So cute how Wikileaks is always trying to insert themselves into this story.

Did you even read their statement? They're the ones trying to provide him safe passage to a place of refuge. Remind me again, as its a common refrain, how shamelessly self-promoting WikiLeaks is? To my knowledge, everyone involved has made great personal sacrifices (basically given up their lives) to expose the truth to an indifferent public. Bradley Manning has been locked away for years, denied almost all human interaction. Julian Assange is holed up in an embassy. Snowden is the most wanted man on the planet. Do such people really deserve your derision?

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by synctext » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 3:19 PM UTC

awakeasleep wrote: post #55

drawkbox wrote: post #49

Playing devil's advocate here, and watched a bunch of spy movies... What if Snowden is still a CIA agent (he was a CIA agent for years before NSA) and this is actually a snowjob/whitewash by the government to deflect attention or essentially control the message about news they knew would be released (diffusing that/controlling that message) and black-ops about China, Russia, Cuba + Venezuela how they treat/process po…

Ill go a step further. Snowmen is really a bellwether event created by this administration to either provide a redemption story for the Obama administration, should the public object too strongly-- or to test if surveillance can be taken much farther (if the public remains apathetic)

> Snowden is really a bellwether event.

Why would Obama sanction deeply-embarrassing revelations and expose the staggering depth of warrantless spying?

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by arcadeparade » Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 3:23 PM UTC

awakeasleep wrote: post #55

drawkbox wrote: post #49

Playing devil's advocate here, and watched a bunch of spy movies... What if Snowden is still a CIA agent (he was a CIA agent for years before NSA) and this is actually a snowjob/whitewash by the government to deflect attention or essentially control the message about news they knew would be released (diffusing that/controlling that message) and black-ops about China, Russia, Cuba + Venezuela how they treat/process po…

Ill go a step further. Snowmen is really a bellwether event created by this administration to either provide a redemption story for the Obama administration, should the public object too strongly-- or to test if surveillance can be taken much farther (if the public remains apathetic)

He is a bellwether even whether he was created or not.