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Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by throwaway-11-1 »

graphime wrote: post #45
rocketpastsix wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you underestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings.

> I think you underestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings. Less than 1% of the population, that’s for sure. You remember the last protest about school shootings? Neither do I.

I get what you’re saying but in the last 20 years can you think of any mass protest that accomplished anything substantial? I don’t really blame people for giving up on it as a tool for change. TBH only truly effective one I can think of would be Jan 6

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by satvikpendem »

graphime wrote: post #42
blitzar wrote: post #32

> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?

> Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next? No. Because us Americans don’t care about school shootings. I’d rather the government invest in S&P500 going higher. You overestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings in America.

Hate to say it but you're right. If people cared, they'd actually do something about it.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by SecretDreams »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #51
rocketpastsix wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you underestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings.

Caring with no significant action in prevention doesn’t really signal caring. Sure, it sucks, headlines get printed for a couple of months, then people forget and move on. To put it in the most disrespectful and sad way, it looks like more people have been on the streets for Knicks games than most (any?) school shootings of the past decades.

It's just harder to get the average joe charged up to fight a battle with anything meaningful on the line. Americans are used to living relatively cushy lives where they don't sacrifice their QOL to make the lives of their countrymen better. The closest thing to that are people in the military, and it's probably been a while since the US military is improving QOL, on average.

People will continue to be complacent on multiple fronts until it absolutely comes to a violent boil. I don't really see half measures or peaceful protests changing anything. And maybe I'm pessimistic, but I think the upcoming elections will either not change enough or be strongly manipulated to maintain the status quo.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by satvikpendem »

dash2 wrote: post #34
blitzar wrote: post #32

> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?

I mean, for most of the world that is not the gotcha you think it is…

It's not supposed to be a gotcha, it's supposed to be an example of the hypocrisy of the government.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by nijave »

tdb7893 wrote: post #38

I haven't bothered to keep up with all the frontier drama, are the latest Anthropic models more dangerous or easier to get around safeguards than other models?

Anthropic released a new class of model called Mythos a tier above the last one, Opus. The Mythos model was designed for cyber security then they tried to undo that (my understanding) for Fable

So arguably "more dangerous" by design and potentially "more dangerous" because they're smarter although there's ongoing debate to "what degree"

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Post by tiahura »

itopaloglu83 wrote: post #54
timmg wrote: post #5

> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... All models can do that. I wonder if they found Fable was significantly better at it.

Maybe the model found something Amazon didn't want to be known, and not necessarily a cyber vulnerability, but a particular way Amazon operates.

Down AWS East and make the traffic look like it’s coming from the Vatican.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by nijave »

Insanity wrote: post #20
iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #18

I feel obligated to ask: Is Jassy competent enough to argue for or against on anything here? I am willing to accept he has chops with AWS ( or at least hope he understands what he manages ), but my recent encounters with executive class and AI left me kinda depressed in terms of what they are trying to project and what they, clearly, don't know.

He has smart people working for him whom he can rely on.

He might be able to rely on them, but can they rely on him? It's fully possible he consults them then completely misses or butchers the message (really I have no idea, I know very little about him)

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Post by breppp »

kubb wrote: post #49
ronsor wrote: post #31

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$6000 of usage in three days???

Crazy to think that people in some places in the world work for $2 per day. Jailbraking fable is economically equivalent to the labor of a thousand people.

Wait until you hear how many families could survive on the food you throw away

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Post by logicchains »

blitzar wrote: post #32

> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?

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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by fg137 »

Lerc wrote: post #9

One of the things that I have come to trust the least in journalism is any WSJ story that says "people familiar with the matter said" Can anyone find another source for this?

You don't have to trust WSJ's reporting, but most people do, including fellow journalists. Their track record is also solid.

(Their opinion section is of course a different matter.)

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