/me scratches VAG cars from a possible new EV purchase. I hate Elon as much as the next guy, but Tesla is still playing the API game way better than the rest of the pack (even with the "not so new" Tesla Fleet API change)
Volvo is also doing pretty good with offering an official API
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Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion
#62Where's the open source phone?
The open source washing machine?
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
This could equally illustrate the difference between long established multi national companies with an overbearing corporate culture vs young upstart companies with a dynamic startup culture.
The question is why doesn't Germany have any young upstart auto companies when the US and China do? The question being the rhetorical kind.
And China, well, it's a dictatorship with effectively unlimited foreign currency reserves. They can do whatever they want.
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#65I mean, it was founded by the Nazi party, they single handedly destroyed diesels through the world's largest scam, what ethics can you really expect from them? I find it extremely funny when people boycott Teslas for being "Nazi" but won't boycott actual Volkswagens that was founded by the real Nazi party and to date - followed some of the most unethical practices in automative history :)
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#66This comment has really nice translation of corpo-speek to human language : https://github.com/robinostlund/homeassistant-volkswagencarn... Why are they shooting them selves in the feet? Is this really a tangible income stream? Is it really increasing security?
> Why are they shooting them selves in the feet? Because people will still buy their cars. The average Joe has very little regard for their privacy. We've been trained to be numb. > Is this really a tangible income stream? Yep. > Is it really increasing security? Nope.
I have VW and I suppose We Connect, there's not a single thing that's worth paying for, not when you have CarPlay and Android Auto (or whatever that's called). If anything I'd prefer that they'd just drop the personalization they do with users. Our car will forever assume that my wife is driving, because that what the dealer configured and none of us care to mess around with it.
But yeah, people will buy the cars anyway, because all the automation is something that only an incredibly small segment has any interest in. It's just weird that those who actually care about connected cars are the only one VW is punishing with this move.
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#67I mean, it was founded by the Nazi party, they single handedly destroyed diesels through the world's largest scam, what ethics can you really expect from them? I find it extremely funny when people boycott Teslas for being "Nazi" but won't boycott actual Volkswagens that was founded by the real Nazi party and to date - followed some of the most unethical practices in automative history :)
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#68There needs to be a law that makes remote attestation - no matter who provides the root certificates, Google/Apple/GrapheneOS - illegal. There is only one use for this technology right now, and it is to prevent people from doing what they want to do with the devices they own, while also making interoperability cryptographically impossible. This is anti-competitive and should simply be illegal.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Volvo is also doing pretty good with offering an official API
But Volvo does not have cheap models with a reasonable range, unfortunately. I'm seeing right now on their Spain's website 40k EUR for a single motor EX30 with 337km WLTP which is ridiculous
I was dealing with this 6 weeks ago!
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#70Quite a few other manufacturers have done the same thing. I use a reverse engineered Polestar library to get charging status but I'm in the middle of building a CANBUS sniffer to do the same job because I don't trust they won't do the same thing as this. I don't really understand it, it doesn't seem to offer a huge potential revenue stream and it pisses off the people who are most invested in your product.
They already add cryptographic authentication to some CAN messages, so you can't change them. It is only a matter of time until they add encryption. This is mostly a corporate problem of risk aversion in my opinion. Some department writes down a risk assessment with a list of miniscule risks, for example of some 3rd party app backend being hacked. Or just a headline "Tinkerer hacked his car to use with his home assis…
Except when it’s about privacy or anything else we actually care about: then absolutely nothing is done because it would cost more than 0 to do anything.