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Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by nar001 »

jorvi wrote: post #49
adrian_b wrote: post #19

With Firefox, especially with Firefox on Linux, which always had and still has poor GPU support, I frequently encounter sites that do not work well or they do not work at all. So I must keep a backup browser, which is normally Vivaldi, because typically any site that works in Chrome also works in Vivaldi. Moreover, Vivaldi has a great advantage over both Firefox and Chrome, in it the command to print a Web page usual…

Vivaldi is the only Chromium browser that actually breaks sites that work on Chromium(based) browsers itself. Mostly stuff like government ID login. A few European logins don't work, and haven't for years (!) with Vivaldi not giving a crap despite ample reports. Extra ironic since Vivaldi is touted as an EU alternative to US tech.

Do you have examples of websites that don't work? Both because I'm curious and also so the devs can look into it?

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by dragochat »

Mashimo wrote: post #42
dragochat wrote: post #32

still as bloated as ever? can't we just have tabs + tiling (either tiles in tabs, or tabs in tiles, both can work), and call it a day? that's all I need from browsing today

> still as bloated as ever? That's their thing. Though a lot can be disabled. > can't we just have tabs + tiling Maybe Min or Zen Browser is more your thing?

both fail at supporting arbitrary tilings/splits (think vscode splits, or tmux panes)

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by Unai »

jorvi wrote: post #49
adrian_b wrote: post #19

With Firefox, especially with Firefox on Linux, which always had and still has poor GPU support, I frequently encounter sites that do not work well or they do not work at all. So I must keep a backup browser, which is normally Vivaldi, because typically any site that works in Chrome also works in Vivaldi. Moreover, Vivaldi has a great advantage over both Firefox and Chrome, in it the command to print a Web page usual…

Vivaldi is the only Chromium browser that actually breaks sites that work on Chromium(based) browsers itself. Mostly stuff like government ID login. A few European logins don't work, and haven't for years (!) with Vivaldi not giving a crap despite ample reports. Extra ironic since Vivaldi is touted as an EU alternative to US tech.

I really doubt that's as general of an occurrence as you make it up to be. There's a particular government process I can only do on Edge (no other browser works, chromium or not). For a certain login process in a different branch of government I can use Vivaldi or Firefox, but not Edge. I don't think you can single out a browser for this kind of thing.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by yard2010 »

Guys use Vivaldi. It's a present. A browser that has a sustainable business model and interests that reconcile with the user interests - consume the web as god intended, with no literally aids and cancer ads out of the box. I switched a while ago from Firefox and while the UI is.. different, it's been a great experience. In my opinion this project and the great people behind it must be the leaders of this industry, and not the current crooked and twisted hegemony we have now.

I'm not affiliated. Happy user.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by turblety »

isodev wrote: post #46
turblety wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's a proprietary closed source fork of Google Chromium. There's nothing to trust. If it's free and closed source, you are the product.

> you are the product Then we need to have a discussion about that because in case of Vivaldi you are in fact not the product.

Happy to discuss.

I'm not sure if this [1] is still relevant, but it appears that Vivaldi makes money by promoting search engines and bookmarks to their users via their closed source, secret, Chromium fork.

If my usage of their Chromium clone is being used to sell search engines/website bookmarks, then I am indeed the product.

There does also seem to be a VPN option on their site that I'm assuming I can pay for, which seems it could be an actually buyable product rather than selling my usage of their browser.

1. https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by adrian_b »

MaXtreeM wrote: post #58
adrian_b wrote: post #19

With Firefox, especially with Firefox on Linux, which always had and still has poor GPU support, I frequently encounter sites that do not work well or they do not work at all. So I must keep a backup browser, which is normally Vivaldi, because typically any site that works in Chrome also works in Vivaldi. Moreover, Vivaldi has a great advantage over both Firefox and Chrome, in it the command to print a Web page usual…

I always see these kind of comments, that many sites don't work in Firefox while they do in Chrome. When I encounter a broken site I always also check it in Chrome but the times where it is actually a browser's fault is like once a year. Usually it is some blocking of cookies or something that I have enabled in Firefox. Even sites from Google which everyone seems to describe that they are specifically made to work on…

Perhaps you use Firefox on Windows.

Firefox on Linux has much more problems than Firefox on Windows, mostly because it does not support many GPUs, so it frequently disables WebGL or it cannot use hardware support for playing videos, even now, in 2026. This breaks many sites.

Unlike Firefox, the Linux versions of Vivaldi/Chromium/Chrome do not appear to have any deficiencies in comparison with their Windows versions.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by yard2010 »

brnt wrote: post #26
dijksterhuis wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

source code is apparently* available to audit: https://vivaldi.com/source * on my phone, can’t inspect the tars

Tarballs every 2 months, and we know these don't give you the Vivaldi browser as they supply it. I don't trust them one bit. There was that telemetry analysis that showed Vivaldi as a very noisy browser.

In comparison to Google Chrome?

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by dijksterhuis »

ekianjo wrote: post #39
dijksterhuis wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we know these don't give you the Vivaldi browser as they supply it. how so? how do you know this?

Probably because they update the browser way more often than that

so it’s not a perfect solution :shrugs: i’ll take imperfect over nothing

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by RedShift1 »

adrian_b wrote: post #67
MaXtreeM wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always see these kind of comments, that many sites don't work in Firefox while they do in Chrome. When I encounter a broken site I always also check it in Chrome but the times where it is actually a browser's fault is like once a year. Usually it is some blocking of cookies or something that I have enabled in Firefox. Even sites from Google which everyone seems to describe that they are specifically made to work on…

Perhaps you use Firefox on Windows. Firefox on Linux has much more problems than Firefox on Windows, mostly because it does not support many GPUs, so it frequently disables WebGL or it cannot use hardware support for playing videos, even now, in 2026. This breaks many sites. Unlike Firefox, the Linux versions of Vivaldi/Chromium/Chrome do not appear to have any deficiencies in comparison with their Windows versions.

Which is not Firefox's fault. It's up to the operating system to provide a stable API to make things like this work.
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