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Peers vote to ban pornography depicting sex acts between stepfamily members

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Re: Peers vote to ban pornography depicting sex acts between stepfamily members

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Post by Tangurena2 »

RIMR wrote: post #28
wat10000 wrote: post #11

"Once the law comes into effect, anyone found to posses or publish pornography which shows incest between family members, or sex between step- or foster-relations where one person is pretending to be under-18, will be criminalised...." Wouldn't the step/foster bit already be covered by child pornography laws?

Why would child pornography laws have anything to do with someone pretending to be under-18? That's distasteful, sure, but objectively, people over-18 are not children. Basic recordkeeping laws should make it easy to ensure that everyone involved is of age, even if they're sucking on a pacifier, wearing a diaper, and saying "goo goo ga ga".

> have anything to do with someone pretending to be under-18?

CP statutes also deal with "simulations" of underage participants.

Re: Peers vote to ban pornography depicting sex acts between stepfamily members

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Post by lucianbr »

ceejayoz wrote: post #58
lucianbr wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you figure? I don't have a problem with Carlin, but with people who quote him as a source of wisdom. The commenter who quoted him here in the thread meant to make a joke and I didn't get it? I thought he quoted him as a point against the law we are discussing.

You're semantically quibbling with a clear joke and using those quibbles to avoid engaging with the point it's making.

> "Selling is legal, and fucking is legal; but selling fucking is not legal."

I don't get it. The literal interpretation is a clear joke, as you say. So what's the point that it is making?

To be clear, I think the law discussed is stupid. I also think the argument that if both parts are legal they should also be legal together is wrong. What am I avoiding?

Re: Peers vote to ban pornography depicting sex acts between stepfamily members

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Post by tforcram »

xnyan wrote: post #38
kelseyfrog wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are absolutely right! It takes incredible bravery to admit that if we cannot solve the problem in totality then incremental improvements are useless.

Fair point, but I have been very surprised by how many normie friends have gotten a VPN since our state mandated age checks for adult content.

This. Incremental progress is one thing, but incremental movement that makes the problem worse and actually harder to solve later is not progress.

It's indicative that maybe you're attempting to solve the wrong problem.

Re: Peers vote to ban pornography depicting sex acts between stepfamily members

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Post by Tangurena2 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #57
jmyeet wrote: post #37

Anything but exposing the abusers who Epstein and Maxwell trafficked to [1] and investigating (let alone prosecuting) child abuse [2][3]. Britain has many real problems. This isn't one of them. [1]: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/the-epstein-files-rattle-... [2]: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/2/26/british-politicians... [3]: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/28/outrag...

The UK has been far better at this than the US thus far. While we were having "No Kings" rallies over our elected Epstein co-conspirator, they arrested and demoted a royal family member over it . And a separate lord.

There was a second person arrested? I thought only Andy got got.

Re: Peers vote to ban pornography depicting sex acts between stepfamily members

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Post by SequoiaHope »

“Today we are sending a powerful message: we will stamp out misogynistic and harmful content online and create a safer world.”

I’ve not read the full report, but I have to presume this will ban depictions of women participating in consensual S&M on the ground that someone thinks that’s misogyny? Many times have I eagerly strapped myself on to a St Andrew’s cross and enjoyed a stimulating flogging. It feels good! It releases endorphins! It’s healthy! Sex is about playing with bodies in fun consensual ways.

Maybe it doesn’t ban women’s participation in S&M per se, but the article does mention a ban on choking which is an act which is not without risk but which consensual adults can safely engage in.

What is upsetting is the penalty is prison. For possession of porn made by consenting adults. Awful. Anyway if women can’t see depictions of things they would enjoy, they will be deprived of the opportunity to discover themselves. This is not fighting misogyny this is about enforcing one group’s views on others and criminalizing consensual behavior.

Re: Peers vote to ban pornography depicting sex acts between stepfamily members

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Post by dogma1138 »

sph wrote: post #24
dogma1138 wrote: post #17

Help me step bro I’m stuck in 1984.

This is worse than 1984. Next is EU, which has been happily copying all the great inventions in the matters of citizen liberty from Great Britain.

Well at least porn and between first cousins is still legal…

Re: Peers vote to ban pornography depicting sex acts between stepfamily members

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Post by sva_ »

saltcured wrote: post #12

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And, until very recently, seemingly encouraged by the NHS?

> A blog published on 22 September by NHS England’s Genomics Education Programme said that marriage between first cousins had “various potential benefits,” while acknowledging that children of first cousins had an increased chance of being born with a genetic condition.

https://www.bmj.com/content/391/bmj.r2061

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