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Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Jobs was a terrible person on a personal level, all the other tech CEOs are terrible people on a societal level.

Just from afar, I'd imagine someone like Zuckerberg is terrible all around. Are there any stories of him doing anything for the greater good?

His duet cover of "Get Low" with T-Pain is pretty fire.

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1 - obviously you're a terrible racist, 2 - subrogation is not relevant, 3 - deaths can have multiple causes

African women dying of HIV did not contract it from Elon Musk. They got it from somewhere. I'm open to theories that do not involve blaming a pretentious billionaire who will inseminate anything except black women.

Subrogation could not be more central to the discussion if you're using blame to justify disbursement of money from parties with no obligation or responsibility to provide free healthcare to another continent.

USAID should never have been created; it serves no strategic purpose unless the purpose is exfiltration of wealth to NGO networks. Auditing government programs for efficacy is not a scam, it's accountability. Eliminating a program that benefits others at our expense is not homicide.

All of your arguments are made in bad faith. You don't really have one beyond emotional blackmail and ad hominems. Sophistry.

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Don’t forget the child porn generator.

> Don’t forget the child porn generator. Details reported today suggest to me he's more than just a billionaire edgelord: https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/tech/elon-musk-xai-digital-un... > Musk has pushed back against guardrails for Grok [...] Musk has “been unhappy about over-censoring” on Grok “for a long time.” [...] At one meeting in recent weeks before the latest controversy erupted, Musk held a meeting with xAI…

The shareholders have always been revolting. The question is why are they not rebelling.

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So you think now. A few years after Linus is dead maybe the real truth will come out, when he won't be around to defend his legacy.

I thought it was already pretty well established that Torvalds is a jerk? Or, at a minimum, somewhat petulant. But also a good example of someone’s accomplishments .. arguably being worth something even if that’s true. I made my whole existence off of Linus’s handiwork and owe him a debt of gratitude for it. I probably still get more in monthly residuals than 90% of the people who wrote anything I deployed. Who cares…

To emphasize the difference between Linus and Steve. Steve seemed to be 100% an asshole when he wasn't performing, whereas Linus is (afaik) mostly very opinionated and doesn't care about being diplomatic at all, but not fundamentally a bad human being.

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While the quantification isn't inherently reliable, the reality of many dead at the hands at Elon Mush is a simple fact that's not up for dispute. The only question is how many he's killed so far. He cut off life saving meds to sick kids and food aid to the areas with food shortages, the deaths are known and reliably reported.

> a simple fact that's not up for dispute We used to say the same about the male/female binary. > He cut off life saving meds Sophistry. Forcing charity is literal enslavement. Withholding charity is not homicide.

So the kids died as a result of the action taken (withdrawing meds from impoverished children), but the person who took the meds away from the sick kids who then died as a result is innocent? I feel like you might want to look at that word "sophistry" long and hard, and do a bit of soul searching.

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There's no question in my mind that having kids gets in the way of single-minded vision that's required of the kind of career success that Jobs had. It's unfortunate, but the reality is that having kids and actually caring for them in a way that gives the best chance to turn them into good, undamaged human beings requires a massive amount of attention that would heavily distract from lofty career goals. If the drive…

Jobs was an IT guy, perhaps a good one, but that didn't give him the right to treat anyone the way he did.

The worshipping is completely out of line.

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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There's no question in my mind that having kids gets in the way of single-minded vision that's required of the kind of career success that Jobs had. It's unfortunate, but the reality is that having kids and actually caring for them in a way that gives the best chance to turn them into good, undamaged human beings requires a massive amount of attention that would heavily distract from lofty career goals. If the drive…

Excusing abusive parenting because he prioritize career over child rearing is pretty awful.

I'm in no way attempting to do that. I live my life in the opposite manner, I have two great kids (that are my lifetime greatest achievement) and a "career" that pays the bills that I could totally take or leave (pending the ability to pay the bills).

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There's no question in my mind that having kids gets in the way of single-minded vision that's required of the kind of career success that Jobs had. It's unfortunate, but the reality is that having kids and actually caring for them in a way that gives the best chance to turn them into good, undamaged human beings requires a massive amount of attention that would heavily distract from lofty career goals. If the drive…

Jobs was an IT guy, perhaps a good one, but that didn't give him the right to treat anyone the way he did. The worshipping is completely out of line.

To be clear, I'm no worshipper, nor Apple fanboi. In fact, I try to avoid that ecosystem entirely.

I'm a praiser of good parents and good people and Steve was definitively neither, it would seem.

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There's no question in my mind that having kids gets in the way of single-minded vision that's required of the kind of career success that Jobs had. It's unfortunate, but the reality is that having kids and actually caring for them in a way that gives the best chance to turn them into good, undamaged human beings requires a massive amount of attention that would heavily distract from lofty career goals. If the drive…

Have you read the article? He didn't just ignore her. He combined periods where he ignored her with periods of caring only to hurt her in dark ways. > Once, she says, as Jobs groped his wife and pretended to be having sex with her, he demanded that Brennan-Jobs stay in the room, calling it a "family moment." He repeatedly withheld money from her, told her that she would get "nothing" from his wealth — and even refuse…

It's all very nuanced, but to put it overly bluntly: career-orientation is about power and control and self image. My understanding is that it's all mental illness related behavior.

Happy to be disagreed with, it's just my experience of the world.

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Every day you decide not to donate a fraction of your income to medicine in Africa. How many deaths are you responsible for?

1 - the moral calculus is different if you were already doing so and then suddenly shut it off

2 - i was happy with the arrangement of the government doing it on my behalf, and in doing so making the united states stronger and have allies around the world

3 - elon musk did this illegally

4 - elon musk also caused additional deaths by virtue of supporting trump, rfk, and these other lunatics which he was definitely affirmatively a part of doing

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