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Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Post by KaiserPro »

wilg wrote: post #16
amelius wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it compensates for the one sided praising of the guy.

I would not say Steve Jobs received only praise during his life or after his death.

> not say Steve Jobs received only praise

Jobs was idolised during his later life. (reality distortion field a-la the register) lots of founders and CEOs adopted his mannerisms, and cosplayed his stories, because they thought that was what made him _good_

Obviously there were dissenters, either people who were personally shat on by him, or didn't buy the "Jobs is better than jesus" stuff.

But, they made a fucking movie about him, thats how much he was idolised.

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Post by nemo »

utternerd wrote: post #19
wilg wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That article cites nothing other than someone's model. There is no hard evidence in what you linked.

While the quantification isn't inherently reliable, the reality of many dead at the hands at Elon Mush is a simple fact that's not up for dispute. The only question is how many he's killed so far. He cut off life saving meds to sick kids and food aid to the areas with food shortages, the deaths are known and reliably reported.

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Post by clipsy »

baal80spam wrote: post #3
rootusrootus wrote: post #2

When someone is long dead, what is the point in one-sided accusations about their character?

Some people just want to see the world burn, destroy culture etc.

> destroy culture

If the truth destroys your culture, it says more about your culture than it does about the people destroying it.

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Post by rootusrootus »

amelius wrote: post #6
rootusrootus wrote: post #2

When someone is long dead, what is the point in one-sided accusations about their character?

Except it compensates for the one sided praising of the guy.

Really? I have heard plenty of "Jobs was an asshole" comments, every time his name comes up. The most consistent assessment seems to be "he was talented, lucky, and a real asshole to work for."

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Post by jjtheblunt »

wolvoleo wrote: post #7
rootusrootus wrote: post #2

When someone is long dead, what is the point in one-sided accusations about their character?

To make sure history doesn't only remember the good things like their accomplishments. He was often really mean in person, that's pretty clear from his biography (and I also heard from some people who met him). Seeing him remembered as a tech saint is weird then. I'm glad I never worked for Apple while he was there. Though I have unfortunately worked for someone with very similar traits. Even though he is dead and ca…

I did work for Apple while he was there, and he was entirely decent.

I came to believe that there was a bratty entitled personality from his 20s that gave rise to most the jerk stories people reference, and that he wised up after being ousted (probably for being that jerk). He was essentially exiled for the better part of a decade.

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Post by anthonypasq »

rootusrootus wrote: post #2

When someone is long dead, what is the point in one-sided accusations about their character?

if Steve Jobs wasnt famous would you have anything negative to say about a person writing a memoir describing their cruel dad?

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Post by rootusrootus »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #14
rib3ye wrote: post #13

I can't wait to hear stories from Linus' kid's childhoods.

Totally different. Linus is a jerk for justice, Steve was just a narcissistic asshole.

So you think now. A few years after Linus is dead maybe the real truth will come out, when he won't be around to defend his legacy.

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Post by wmf »

SoftTalker wrote: post #15
cmiller1 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs was a terrible person on a personal level, all the other tech CEOs are terrible people on a societal level.

Just from afar, I'd imagine someone like Zuckerberg is terrible all around. Are there any stories of him doing anything for the greater good?

Supposedly Zuck is good to his family.

Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)

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Post by razingeden »

rootusrootus wrote: post #28
CuriouslyC wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally different. Linus is a jerk for justice, Steve was just a narcissistic asshole.

So you think now. A few years after Linus is dead maybe the real truth will come out, when he won't be around to defend his legacy.

I thought it was already pretty well established that Torvalds is a jerk? Or, at a minimum, somewhat petulant.

But also a good example of someone’s accomplishments .. arguably being worth something even if that’s true. I made my whole existence off of Linus’s handiwork and owe him a debt of gratitude for it. I probably still get more in monthly residuals than 90% of the people who wrote anything I deployed. Who cares what I think of anyone personally?

I’d hate to be so deranged about anyone that I can’t see any good in their accomplishments. I’m not exactly Miss Manners in the professional or personal realm either, don’t let me cast the first stone.

Id even go as far as saying that Linus’s are way more important and that Steve’s destroyed society but that’s enough out of me. Even if that’s my opinion, I’m still saying that about a trillion dollar company and that’s still someone’s yardstick for success. Genius is genius, accomplishments are accomplishments

… and god what a grey and insecure and screwed up IT world this would be if neither of those people ever existed and Microsoft ruled the world. Either we wouldn’t even have functional cash registers let alone any other technical pillars or infrastructure… or we’d all be in our rightful BSD utopia right about now.

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