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That article cites nothing other than someone's model. There is no hard evidence in what you linked.
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Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)
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Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)
#42There's no question in my mind that having kids gets in the way of single-minded vision that's required of the kind of career success that Jobs had. It's unfortunate, but the reality is that having kids and actually caring for them in a way that gives the best chance to turn them into good, undamaged human beings requires a massive amount of attention that would heavily distract from lofty career goals. If the drive…
Excusing abusive parenting because he prioritize career over child rearing is pretty awful.
Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)
#43Interesting little detail buried near the end:
> Powell Jobs and Jobs' sister have said in a statement that the book "differs dramatically from our memories of those times."
I've learned from experience that people who aggressively denounce others publicly sometimes have stuff going on that isn't readily visible.
It's not that I want Jobs to be free of moral stain. I have no investment in it. But people should be cautious trusting a report of one person's disputed report.
Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)
#44There's no question in my mind that having kids gets in the way of single-minded vision that's required of the kind of career success that Jobs had. It's unfortunate, but the reality is that having kids and actually caring for them in a way that gives the best chance to turn them into good, undamaged human beings requires a massive amount of attention that would heavily distract from lofty career goals. If the drive…
Being absent for work is different than being cruel.
As a counterpoint I would highlight Buffet, Branson, and others who have managed to fulfill their obligations to the next generation without failing to dominate their industries.
There is no excuse for cruelty to children, doubly so when they are your own. Jobs was an asshole because he was an asshole, not because he was driven.
Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)
#45There's no question in my mind that having kids gets in the way of single-minded vision that's required of the kind of career success that Jobs had. It's unfortunate, but the reality is that having kids and actually caring for them in a way that gives the best chance to turn them into good, undamaged human beings requires a massive amount of attention that would heavily distract from lofty career goals. If the drive…
Have you read the article? He didn't just ignore her. He combined periods where he ignored her with periods of caring only to hurt her in dark ways.
> Once, she says, as Jobs groped his wife and pretended to be having sex with her, he demanded that Brennan-Jobs stay in the room, calling it a "family moment." He repeatedly withheld money from her, told her that she would get "nothing" from his wealth — and even refused to install heat in her bedroom.
This isn't just a career driven person
Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
While the quantification isn't inherently reliable, the reality of many dead at the hands at Elon Mush is a simple fact that's not up for dispute. The only question is how many he's killed so far. He cut off life saving meds to sick kids and food aid to the areas with food shortages, the deaths are known and reliably reported.
Then it should be easy to prove, instead of saying "it isn't up for dispute" or citing a person's model.
True, feel free to Google "deaths attributed to end of usaid", lots to read and learn about there. Have at it.
Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)
#47When someone is long dead, what is the point in one-sided accusations about their character?
To make sure history doesn't only remember the good things like their accomplishments. He was often really mean in person, that's pretty clear from his biography (and I also heard from some people who met him). Seeing him remembered as a tech saint is weird then. I'm glad I never worked for Apple while he was there. Though I have unfortunately worked for someone with very similar traits. Even though he is dead and ca…
>To make sure history doesn't only remember the good things like their accomplishments.
This horse has been beat to death. Every reddit post that has Jobs name in it covers this. Same with John Lennon.
Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)
#48There's no question in my mind that having kids gets in the way of single-minded vision that's required of the kind of career success that Jobs had. It's unfortunate, but the reality is that having kids and actually caring for them in a way that gives the best chance to turn them into good, undamaged human beings requires a massive amount of attention that would heavily distract from lofty career goals. If the drive…
The guy had issues, and "driven to build a company" was not the cause.
Ironic that he blamed his biological father for abandoning him, and then tried really, really hard to do the same to his daughter.
She wasn't a product of "trying to have kids". It just happened, and he denied she was his daughter for years.
Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
While the quantification isn't inherently reliable, the reality of many dead at the hands at Elon Mush is a simple fact that's not up for dispute. The only question is how many he's killed so far. He cut off life saving meds to sick kids and food aid to the areas with food shortages, the deaths are known and reliably reported.
Then it should be easy to prove, instead of saying "it isn't up for dispute" or citing a person's model.
It is easy to prove, it is shown in the linked model. The model is simple. If I spend X amount of dollars feeding people, I can save Y lives. Since this model is obviously bunk, I'm sure you can easily articulate why this model is inaccurate, untrustworthy, or otherwise unhelpful.
Re: Memoir by Steve Jobs’ eldest daughter describes ways he was cruel to her (2018)
#50Interesting little detail buried near the end: > Powell Jobs and Jobs' sister have said in a statement that the book "differs dramatically from our memories of those times." I've learned from experience that people who aggressively denounce others publicly sometimes have stuff going on that isn't readily visible. It's not that I want Jobs to be free of moral stain. I have no investment in it. But people should be cau…
Differing from your memory and differing from reality aren't the same thing.
Nor is it uncommon that "the stepmom doesn't like the estranged kids"
Nor is it uncommon that a deadbeat dad is an asshole.
Whether or not it's true, common sense and the available evidence certainly favor Lisa.