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Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

card_zero wrote: post #24
themafia wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We used to know this inherently and we spent half a century passing really well thought out and actionable laws designed to thwart the darker side of capitalism while still allowing it's benefits to accrue to the masses. Since then we've forgotten how to enforce anti monopoly and media ownership rules. Similarly we've somehow completely turned campaign financing into an open competition for bribes.

So, in this situation when a large company cooperates with intrusive policing, you think the problem is that the company is too large and that enforcement of laws should have taken place? To prevent this collaboration with law enforcement?

It's a much bigger problem when a company with >50% market share connects all the cameras to law enforcement than if a company with 0.5% market share does that, but the first one can't happen if there are no companies with a double digit market share.

And when there are more companies it's easier to tell people to buy a different one because that one is doing something shady. When Amazon does it, you recommend that unsophisticated people do what, use a Chinese camera which is presumably shunting the feeds to that government?

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Post by nativeit »

nrjames wrote: post #54
jappgar wrote: post #39

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You opted-in by buying the product in the first place. People are buying these things out of fear anyways. I thought they'd be happy big brother is watching.

When a man murdered a woman in front of my house last year, our Ring camera's photos of his car led to his arrest within 24 hours, so not entirely useless?

I heard there could be zero crime soon, once they start “pre-registration” and open up the death camps for everyone Grok says is a baddy. So useful!

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Post by dhacks »

sterwill wrote: post #48
olex wrote: post #38

And this is why my setup will be using Reolink cameras integrated locally via HomeAssistant and Frigate. Detection runs locally on cameras and/or in Frigate, HA manages events and UI, and the only way to access any of it remotely is via VPN, no "cloud" anything. If the authorities come knocking with a warrant, or frankly, even a nicely-worded sensible request, sure, have at it. But ain't nobody accessing the footage…

I bought Reolink PoE cameras because they support standard RTSP and I could put them on their own VLAN where they can't get to the Internet. I can still use the Reolink app to view them when I'm on the LAN, or through Wireguard when I'm not. I use ffmpeg to save streams to a big disk. Works great.

I do the same and it works well. But do you see the Reolink app hammering domains of the form p#p#.reolink.com? I have to kill the app between uses it it drains my phone's battery because of this.

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

olex wrote: post #55
Flere-Imsaho wrote: post #53

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My reolink runs off power over Ethernet. Here in the uk, there have been reports of Amazon drivers using wifi deauth-ing devices to kill the ring cameras when they are near your property. My parents recently experienced this.

Absolutely, I will be running PoE wherever possible, definitely for the doorbell. Not just because of Amazon drivers, I've read reports of burglars using WiFi jammers to make sure wireless cameras are useless during a break-in.

Cops will also go after your networking prior to busting down your door. Same applies regardless of a correct and valid warrant so do with that as you will.

I'm sure the cops who trashed Afroman's place would have loved that ability.

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Post by jeromegv »

ongy wrote: post #58
jappgar wrote: post #39

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You opted-in by buying the product in the first place. People are buying these things out of fear anyways. I thought they'd be happy big brother is watching.

Why do you think it's fear? The owners I know consider it a convenience device.

Convenience for? Security? Isn’t increased security measures based on fear?

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Post by stogot »

mihaaly wrote: post #33
kotaKat wrote: post #23

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Bad news: Ring just enabled opt-in-by-default "search parties" for people to leverage your outdoor cameras to find their "lost animals". https://ring.com/search-party

Oh, Jesus!! This f shameless pretention of doing something noble - barely helpful above normal practices btw. - while manipulating clueless users into turning on mass-surveillance is revolting and disgusting. And ordinary employees figured this out, phrased, created content, implemmented, pubished, and are maintaining this dirty practice. Many times with (very misplaced) pride. Shame on all of them actively participa…

I have a Ring. I got the email notifying me and was about to go disable it, but it doesn’t share anything. It says it will notify you that your camera detected the dog and then YOU choose to share the video or not. So I left it enabled, as it becomes a later choice. Effectively I’m not opted into sharing was my take.

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Post by [deleted] »

jamiecurle wrote: post #57
olex wrote: post #38

And this is why my setup will be using Reolink cameras integrated locally via HomeAssistant and Frigate. Detection runs locally on cameras and/or in Frigate, HA manages events and UI, and the only way to access any of it remotely is via VPN, no "cloud" anything. If the authorities come knocking with a warrant, or frankly, even a nicely-worded sensible request, sure, have at it. But ain't nobody accessing the footage…

Same here, only I used Hikvision PoE cameras. If I had of had a webcam on my front door a few weeks ago I would have been able to identify the thieves that broke into my car and stole a bunch of stuff whilst I was asleep. Since then I have "cammed" up, but I use my own hard wired network and connected to a Pi5 with a Hailo8 chip running frigate. No third party apps, just the fun of more stuff on the network. I do run…

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Post by matthewdgreen »

nrjames wrote: post #54
jappgar wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You opted-in by buying the product in the first place. People are buying these things out of fear anyways. I thought they'd be happy big brother is watching.

When a man murdered a woman in front of my house last year, our Ring camera's photos of his car led to his arrest within 24 hours, so not entirely useless?

I’m ok with that as long as I, the camera owner, am choosing to hand over the footage. At best I can see some sort of watermarking to ensure that it’s legitimate.

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Post by namibj »

QuantumNomad_ wrote: post #50
westmeal wrote: post #42

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Walk up to door with stack of papers with a stock photo of a puppy on it that says lost puppy. Check if there's a camera. If the owner comes outside, ask them if they have seen this puppy.

And then at door 125,000 you finally reach the home of the puppy that’s in the stock photo you printed. And they say “Why yes, we have seen this puppy. How did you know??”

So use one that you know to now be dead.
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