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Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Post by toofy »

potato3732842 wrote: post #17
CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If history has thought us anything, it has to be that capitalists have absolutely no spine and only think about profits, no matter what.

Ah, yes, because those communists and feudal lords, theocratic regimes, monarchs and all manner of other non-capitalist societies have such a stellar track record of treating people well. This isn't a capitalist or any other "ist" problem. It is a problem with society and social norms. The cameras are there because people want them to be. The cameras get used because it is not politically toxic to do so. The use cont…

> they love the jackboot

yes, some people genuinely do, and some people don’t.

some people have absolutely no understanding of what surveillance tech is doing and where it is going.

in terms of the “ist” problem you refer to, at the end of the day, the real answer is to deny anyone that amount of power. whether it’s corporations, religions, governments, or billionaires. none of these should have enough power to sway the world to terrifying places. none of them, including govs, billionaires, or corporations.

somehow we need to achieve separation of money and state with as much vigor as we used to separate church and state.

we should be incentivizing the power from all of those groups to be dispersed as much as possible.

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Post by ceejayoz »

kotaKat wrote: post #23
bryancoxwell wrote: post #8

Might be a good time to enable E2EE on your Ring cams if you haven’t already: https://ring.com/support/articles/7e3lk/using-video-end-to-e...

Bad news: Ring just enabled opt-in-by-default "search parties" for people to leverage your outdoor cameras to find their "lost animals". https://ring.com/search-party

“Do it for the lost puppies!” is darkly comedic as a way to ease people into the idea.

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Post by mihaaly »

kotaKat wrote: post #23
bryancoxwell wrote: post #8

Might be a good time to enable E2EE on your Ring cams if you haven’t already: https://ring.com/support/articles/7e3lk/using-video-end-to-e...

Bad news: Ring just enabled opt-in-by-default "search parties" for people to leverage your outdoor cameras to find their "lost animals". https://ring.com/search-party

Oh, Jesus!!

This f shameless pretention of doing something noble - barely helpful above normal practices btw. - while manipulating clueless users into turning on mass-surveillance is revolting and disgusting. And ordinary employees figured this out, phrased, created content, implemmented, pubished, and are maintaining this dirty practice. Many times with (very misplaced) pride. Shame on all of them actively participating in this coward scheme!

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Post by mothballed »

saubeidl wrote: post #27
whatsupdog wrote: post #16

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Immigrants with no criminal record now largest group in ICE detention: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/26/immigrants-c... ICE Agents Rappel from Helicopter in Overnight Chicago Raid, Dragging Kids from Beds to U-Hauls: https://people.com/ice-agents-overnight-chicago-raid-1182308... Feds detain WGN-TV staffer, slam into resident’s car in Lincoln Square: https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/10/10/…

I and many other US citizens were brutally imprisoned by CBP/DHS under Biden and no one gave a shit, and at the time it wasn't the cool hot topic for lawyers so ACLU and none of the civil rights lawyers I contacted were interested. I even pointed it out here on HN, I was accused of having it coming, it wasn't until Trump came into power that anyone other than my own family actually believed the story about DHS imprisoning me, dragging me around the state in a prisoner van, and insanely getting a retroactive warrant all over a completely fabricated PC of an unnamed dog alerting an unnamed officer (that as far as I know, didn't even exist).

Hopefully this will be a lesson to maybe start giving a shit about these things when they're being tested rather than when the heat gets cranked up against brown people.

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Post by gosub100 »

CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #5
touwer wrote: post #4

Big tech is nothing different from the German industrialists one hundred years ago

If history has thought us anything, it has to be that capitalists have absolutely no spine and only think about profits, no matter what.

It's the government that wants unchecked power, no matter what. This is why people support the 2A, and why it was the 2nd most important thing to those who founded the country.

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Post by jappgar »

mihaaly wrote: post #33
kotaKat wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bad news: Ring just enabled opt-in-by-default "search parties" for people to leverage your outdoor cameras to find their "lost animals". https://ring.com/search-party

Oh, Jesus!! This f shameless pretention of doing something noble - barely helpful above normal practices btw. - while manipulating clueless users into turning on mass-surveillance is revolting and disgusting. And ordinary employees figured this out, phrased, created content, implemmented, pubished, and are maintaining this dirty practice. Many times with (very misplaced) pride. Shame on all of them actively participa…

Shame on the idiots who place a webcam on their front doorstep too.

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Post by mothballed »

gosub100 wrote: post #35
CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If history has thought us anything, it has to be that capitalists have absolutely no spine and only think about profits, no matter what.

It's the government that wants unchecked power, no matter what. This is why people support the 2A, and why it was the 2nd most important thing to those who founded the country.

Most of the sanctuary areas that have historically resisted ICE are brutally against any originalist interpretation of the 2A.

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Post by olex »

And this is why my setup will be using Reolink cameras integrated locally via HomeAssistant and Frigate. Detection runs locally on cameras and/or in Frigate, HA manages events and UI, and the only way to access any of it remotely is via VPN, no "cloud" anything.

If the authorities come knocking with a warrant, or frankly, even a nicely-worded sensible request, sure, have at it. But ain't nobody accessing the footage unnoticed and without my approval.

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Post by jappgar »

taneq wrote: post #28
kotaKat wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bad news: Ring just enabled opt-in-by-default "search parties" for people to leverage your outdoor cameras to find their "lost animals". https://ring.com/search-party

“Opt-in-by-default” is a lot of words to say “opt-out”.

You opted-in by buying the product in the first place.

People are buying these things out of fear anyways. I thought they'd be happy big brother is watching.

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Post by potato3732842 »

toofy wrote: post #31
potato3732842 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, yes, because those communists and feudal lords, theocratic regimes, monarchs and all manner of other non-capitalist societies have such a stellar track record of treating people well. This isn't a capitalist or any other "ist" problem. It is a problem with society and social norms. The cameras are there because people want them to be. The cameras get used because it is not politically toxic to do so. The use cont…

> they love the jackboot yes, some people genuinely do, and some people don’t. some people have absolutely no understanding of what surveillance tech is doing and where it is going. in terms of the “ist” problem you refer to, at the end of the day, the real answer is to deny anyone that amount of power. whether it’s corporations, religions, governments, or billionaires. none of these should have enough power to sway…

>somehow we need to achieve separation of money and state with as much vigor as we used to separate church and state.

This used to be called "equality under the law" and laws that could not be written equally or enforced equally were not written or overturned by the courts.

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