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Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Post by olex »

normie3000 wrote: post #49
olex wrote: post #38

And this is why my setup will be using Reolink cameras integrated locally via HomeAssistant and Frigate. Detection runs locally on cameras and/or in Frigate, HA manages events and UI, and the only way to access any of it remotely is via VPN, no "cloud" anything. If the authorities come knocking with a warrant, or frankly, even a nicely-worded sensible request, sure, have at it. But ain't nobody accessing the footage…

Don't Reolink cameras require the Reolink mobile app for setup?

Initially I believe so, but they can then be isolated via VLAN / firewall rules and cut off from internet access.

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Post by olex »

sterwill wrote: post #48
olex wrote: post #38

And this is why my setup will be using Reolink cameras integrated locally via HomeAssistant and Frigate. Detection runs locally on cameras and/or in Frigate, HA manages events and UI, and the only way to access any of it remotely is via VPN, no "cloud" anything. If the authorities come knocking with a warrant, or frankly, even a nicely-worded sensible request, sure, have at it. But ain't nobody accessing the footage…

I bought Reolink PoE cameras because they support standard RTSP and I could put them on their own VLAN where they can't get to the Internet. I can still use the Reolink app to view them when I'm on the LAN, or through Wireguard when I'm not. I use ffmpeg to save streams to a big disk. Works great.

Yeah, this is my idea as well. Good to know that the Reolink app still works locally and via Wireguard, that means I'll have less UI to set up in HomeAssistant.

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Post by Flere-Imsaho »

olex wrote: post #38

And this is why my setup will be using Reolink cameras integrated locally via HomeAssistant and Frigate. Detection runs locally on cameras and/or in Frigate, HA manages events and UI, and the only way to access any of it remotely is via VPN, no "cloud" anything. If the authorities come knocking with a warrant, or frankly, even a nicely-worded sensible request, sure, have at it. But ain't nobody accessing the footage…

My reolink runs off power over Ethernet. Here in the uk, there have been reports of Amazon drivers using wifi deauth-ing devices to kill the ring cameras when they are near your property. My parents recently experienced this.

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Post by nrjames »

jappgar wrote: post #39
taneq wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Opt-in-by-default” is a lot of words to say “opt-out”.

You opted-in by buying the product in the first place. People are buying these things out of fear anyways. I thought they'd be happy big brother is watching.

When a man murdered a woman in front of my house last year, our Ring camera's photos of his car led to his arrest within 24 hours, so not entirely useless?

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Post by olex »

Flere-Imsaho wrote: post #53
olex wrote: post #38

And this is why my setup will be using Reolink cameras integrated locally via HomeAssistant and Frigate. Detection runs locally on cameras and/or in Frigate, HA manages events and UI, and the only way to access any of it remotely is via VPN, no "cloud" anything. If the authorities come knocking with a warrant, or frankly, even a nicely-worded sensible request, sure, have at it. But ain't nobody accessing the footage…

My reolink runs off power over Ethernet. Here in the uk, there have been reports of Amazon drivers using wifi deauth-ing devices to kill the ring cameras when they are near your property. My parents recently experienced this.

Absolutely, I will be running PoE wherever possible, definitely for the doorbell. Not just because of Amazon drivers, I've read reports of burglars using WiFi jammers to make sure wireless cameras are useless during a break-in.

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Post by plingbang »

RHSeeger wrote: post #46
themafia wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have deniability with the phone. I can also just leave it at home if I want or turn it off entirely. That access should also be illegal without a warrant; however, this is far worse than cellular "metadata" tracking.

> or turn it off entirely That part you can't do. Unless the battery is removed, phone can be turned back on remotely.

citation needed

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Post by jamiecurle »

olex wrote: post #38

And this is why my setup will be using Reolink cameras integrated locally via HomeAssistant and Frigate. Detection runs locally on cameras and/or in Frigate, HA manages events and UI, and the only way to access any of it remotely is via VPN, no "cloud" anything. If the authorities come knocking with a warrant, or frankly, even a nicely-worded sensible request, sure, have at it. But ain't nobody accessing the footage…

Same here, only I used Hikvision PoE cameras.

If I had of had a webcam on my front door a few weeks ago I would have been able to identify the thieves that broke into my car and stole a bunch of stuff whilst I was asleep.

Since then I have "cammed" up, but I use my own hard wired network and connected to a Pi5 with a Hailo8 chip running frigate.

No third party apps, just the fun of more stuff on the network. I do run a Cloudflare tunnel on the PI so that I can connect to Frigate from anywhere when I get alerts.

But basically, it's me and only me accessing the content of those cameras. However I do plan to configure Frigate to upload the alerts and detections into S3 with a three month lifecycle.

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Post by ongy »

jappgar wrote: post #39
taneq wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Opt-in-by-default” is a lot of words to say “opt-out”.

You opted-in by buying the product in the first place. People are buying these things out of fear anyways. I thought they'd be happy big brother is watching.

Why do you think it's fear?

The owners I know consider it a convenience device.

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Post by _joel »

everdrive wrote: post #12

George Orwell really never could have imagined that people would flock to purchase or otherwise use the methods of their own surveillance. (smart phones, social media, smart cameras, modern cars, etc) I think it paints government surveillance policies in something of a different light. There is definitely a constituency which believes that the evil central government is pushing for surveillance in a purely unilateral…

> government surveillance policies are more popular then some folks in HN circles would suspect.

"Ignorance is bliss"

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Post by Vespasian »

nrjames wrote: post #54
jappgar wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You opted-in by buying the product in the first place. People are buying these things out of fear anyways. I thought they'd be happy big brother is watching.

When a man murdered a woman in front of my house last year, our Ring camera's photos of his car led to his arrest within 24 hours, so not entirely useless?

It's all trade offs.

Even in the most dystopian sci-fi future where a hostile and totalitarian government watches everything everybody does, they would still use the information to investigate boring everyday crimes.

The (non rethoric) question is, are people willing to pay the increasing price of non-crime related surveillance as we see diminished security margins.

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