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Re: iOS 6 and OS X 10.8.2 Now Available

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes it's biased, she's deeply opinionated, yes she's an opinioneer, etc... But she's still got a piece of the truth in hand: Maps are important, they're only becoming moreso, and Apple is extremely unlikely to sit on their ass now that they've launched their own stack. (especially once their customer satisfaction numbers start plopping, which they will)

What in the world is an opinioneer?

A word I made up.

Re: iOS 6 and OS X 10.8.2 Now Available

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The native iOS 6 Maps are just short of wretched. No transit directions, unhelpful default views, a dramatically weaker points of interest database, weaker scrolling performance, and a busier UI that doesn't add anything of great use. It's a rather big turd in an otherwise delicious punchbowl, and it is going to become a real-world talking point about iPhones starting today.

Eh, I tried the new Maps and it seems usable. What's really wretched in this release is what they've done to the App Store. It's now HTML5-based, like the old (and despised) facebook app. It crawls compared to the old one.

> What's really wretched in this release is what they've done to the App Store.

The appstore has always been web-based. You could really feel it on a slow connection (e.g. Edge), because the UI itself (not just the content) would take ages to display and sometimes fail to render altogether.

Re: iOS 6 and OS X 10.8.2 Now Available

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The native iOS 6 Maps are just short of wretched. No transit directions, unhelpful default views, a dramatically weaker points of interest database, weaker scrolling performance, and a busier UI that doesn't add anything of great use. It's a rather big turd in an otherwise delicious punchbowl, and it is going to become a real-world talking point about iPhones starting today.

Apple needs to take their massive $$$ warchest and spend an inordinate amount of money on getting maps back up in shape. Each of those $'s is worth it. It's an absolutely crucial feature and it needs to be not just good enough, it needs to be really good and better than most. My fear is now Apple is becoming more bean counter and less passion, strong-opinion driven. To let Maps out in this shape is a troubling misste…

Hard to tell. Though ultimately I feel like their code quality HAS gone down lately. But the fact that the maps are not as polished seems more like possibly an issue where they didn't have enough time.

It's not clear who terminated the deal with Google Maps. Apple's must get better, more of a question as to whether Apple will put the capital behind it to make it happen fast.

Re: iOS 6 and OS X 10.8.2 Now Available

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, I tried the new Maps and it seems usable. What's really wretched in this release is what they've done to the App Store. It's now HTML5-based, like the old (and despised) facebook app. It crawls compared to the old one.

That doesn't sound good. The app store wasn't all that zippy to begin with on a new iPad, and became nearly unusable on an (admittedly aging) 3GS.

Unless I'm terribly mistaken, ALL apple stores (iTunes music, iOS App, Mac App, iBooks) on all platforms (Mac, WIndows, iOS) have always been web views. Every single one of them. Ever since 2002 when iTunes was launched.

And my experience in the past few months (iPad 2, iOS 6 beta) was that the store is not slow at all, so don't worry!

Re: iOS 6 and OS X 10.8.2 Now Available

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The native iOS 6 Maps are just short of wretched. No transit directions, unhelpful default views, a dramatically weaker points of interest database, weaker scrolling performance, and a busier UI that doesn't add anything of great use. It's a rather big turd in an otherwise delicious punchbowl, and it is going to become a real-world talking point about iPhones starting today.

I saw someone tweet (and someone I follow retweet) this: "Nine years ago Safari was released: a fringe browser that didn't run sites for IE well. Today, its engine powers everything. Now think maps." I laughed and then felt really, really bad for them. It's unbelievable the way people react to criticism. (in any cases, not just Apple/iPhone)

That one is not that bad, I just take it to mean a humble start can become a fantastic product.

Now this one on the other hand, I can't figure out the state of mind leading to writing it and releasing that to the world:

> What’s missing from this conversation is that map usage is critical. […] Google’s maps are going to start degrading. Apple’s will get better. They’ll meet in the middle within 18 months.

Re: iOS 6 and OS X 10.8.2 Now Available

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For those wondering, this update seems to run just fine on 3GS. The new maps app works smoothly, and Safari loads pages either the same or else just slightly faster than before. (Similar results not guaranteed.)

I updated my 3GS to use iOS5 when it came out, and my phone has been horrendously slow. Even just scrolling from the home screen to the search bar(all the way to the left) would result in a 10-second delay, and sometimes the whole phone seems to stall when I click a text field to bring up the keyboard.

Did anyone else have a similar experience? Is it better on iOS6?

Re: iOS 6 and OS X 10.8.2 Now Available

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The native iOS 6 Maps are just short of wretched. No transit directions, unhelpful default views, a dramatically weaker points of interest database, weaker scrolling performance, and a busier UI that doesn't add anything of great use. It's a rather big turd in an otherwise delicious punchbowl, and it is going to become a real-world talking point about iPhones starting today.

Honestly, I think this just showcases how difficult maps really are. No matter how bad people in the US are finding it, I guarantee that users outside the US are going to hate this change even more than you do. It's a great example of something that doesn't scale easily.

Yes, the map over Helsinki, Finland is full of errors like stores and restaurants being in totally wrong locations or just plain wrong (according to the map I have a bar I never have heard of on my iPad 200m from my house in the middle of a park).

Re: iOS 6 and OS X 10.8.2 Now Available

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I'm excited to finally have the Yelp! maps integration.

Don't get too excited... http://dashes.com/anil/2012/09/who-benefits-from-ios6s-crapp...

  > Apple made this maps change despite its shortcomings
  > because they put their own priorities for corporate
  > strategy ahead of user experience. 
So Anil knows what was going on between Google and Apple (Google license for maps expired this year) to claim this?
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