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Re: iOS 6 and OS X 10.8.2 Now Available

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Post by astral303 »

jpxxx wrote: post #17

The native iOS 6 Maps are just short of wretched. No transit directions, unhelpful default views, a dramatically weaker points of interest database, weaker scrolling performance, and a busier UI that doesn't add anything of great use. It's a rather big turd in an otherwise delicious punchbowl, and it is going to become a real-world talking point about iPhones starting today.

Apple needs to take their massive $$$ warchest and spend an inordinate amount of money on getting maps back up in shape. Each of those $'s is worth it. It's an absolutely crucial feature and it needs to be not just good enough, it needs to be really good and better than most.

My fear is now Apple is becoming more bean counter and less passion, strong-opinion driven. To let Maps out in this shape is a troubling misstep.

Re: iOS 6 and OS X 10.8.2 Now Available

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Post by high5ths »

jpxxx wrote: post #17

The native iOS 6 Maps are just short of wretched. No transit directions, unhelpful default views, a dramatically weaker points of interest database, weaker scrolling performance, and a busier UI that doesn't add anything of great use. It's a rather big turd in an otherwise delicious punchbowl, and it is going to become a real-world talking point about iPhones starting today.

I was actually thrilled that for transit directions in NYC, Maps just gave me a button to the Embark app, which won the MTA App Quest for best subway navigation in the city. It has a better interface than Google Maps for transit, anyway. It's obviously an extra step to go to another app, but if the experience is better in the long run, I'm willing to go with it.

Google Maps has been annoying on iOS for a while -- ever since they updated their Android app to use vectors, while ignoring the iOS version, it's felt much slower and I figured it was just a matter of time before they abandoned iOS completely.

Re: iOS 6 and OS X 10.8.2 Now Available

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

mikeash wrote: post #36
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw someone tweet (and someone I follow retweet) this: "Nine years ago Safari was released: a fringe browser that didn't run sites for IE well. Today, its engine powers everything. Now think maps." I laughed and then felt really, really bad for them. It's unbelievable the way people react to criticism. (in any cases, not just Apple/iPhone)

I've seen that response several times now, and it's incredibly bizarre. Why should a guess at the potential future impact evaluation of how the thing is right now?

Based on kbutler's response above, my other post detailing the two options I see and the fact that my "Uh, it's not open source?" comment is downvoted, I'm inclined to think that there are some here that believe "Apple release -> auto(eventual) success".

I mean, as you say, what other basis is there for even making such a strange comparison between two vastly different projects (an open source rendering engine and a proprietary data set gained through partnerships and manual data gathering?

Re: iOS 6 and OS X 10.8.2 Now Available

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Post by dfc »

jpxxx wrote: post #34
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea who this person is other than guessing she is a female from her profile picture. It's also not the first tweet I've found to be completely off-base and ironically, the second today. The tweet about intro/extrovertedness is just flatly wrong. I have no reason to take her tweet as anything but what it is. In context with her other tweets, I feel pretty damn safe in calling it at least a bit partisan. A q…

Yes it's biased, she's deeply opinionated, yes she's an opinioneer, etc... But she's still got a piece of the truth in hand: Maps are important, they're only becoming moreso, and Apple is extremely unlikely to sit on their ass now that they've launched their own stack. (especially once their customer satisfaction numbers start plopping, which they will)

What in the world is an opinioneer?

Re: iOS 6 and OS X 10.8.2 Now Available

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Post by CWIZO »

Still no update for wi-fi on macbooks and crazy fans on Airs :/ OK the fans are a little bit more sane now since the last update, but still no in the tolerable range. And the wi-fi seems, at least to me, to have gotten worse with the last update. I'll update and see if it is fixed and they just didn't bother to mention it in the announcement.

Re: iOS 6 and OS X 10.8.2 Now Available

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Post by high5ths »

dfc wrote: post #39

I am not an iPhone user. Can someone explain "Do Not Disturb"? I think I am missing something, I thought that was what the switch was on the side of the old iphones?

The switch on the side of the phone was just a "silencer," without any fine-grained control. "Do Not Disturb" is a more intelligent kind of silencer -- it silences emails, texts, and any sort of app notifications, but you can let it selectively allow phone calls through (either "Everybody," "All my contacts," or just your "Favorites"), and it has a feature to allow repeated calls through (if someone calls you, then calls back a couple minutes later).

My iPhone is my only phone, so I want it to ring whenever somebody calls me, but I don't want my phone beeping with emails and texts all night. Previously, the only way to accomplish this would have been either to set all sounds except the ringtone to "Silent" (manually changing every sound) or to leave all sounds happening, but plug in a pair of headphones at night (which makes all notification sounds except the ringtone go through the headphones). I've been doing this for months, but it's obviously a pain.

"Do Not Disturb" is the solution I've been looking for.

Re: iOS 6 and OS X 10.8.2 Now Available

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Post by jh3 »

dfc wrote: post #39

I am not an iPhone user. Can someone explain "Do Not Disturb"? I think I am missing something, I thought that was what the switch was on the side of the old iphones?

The DND feature silently declines alerts and calls when enabled. I haven't used it yet, but I am assuming the alerts and calls that have been declined due to DND mode will be available whenever you turn it off/check the notification center.

You can also schedule DND mode to go on and turn off at certain times.

You can whitelist contacts, too. There is also an option to allow calls through that happen in rapid succession (something like >1 of the same call in >=3m).

Re: iOS 6 and OS X 10.8.2 Now Available

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Post by purephase »

jpxxx wrote: post #17

The native iOS 6 Maps are just short of wretched. No transit directions, unhelpful default views, a dramatically weaker points of interest database, weaker scrolling performance, and a busier UI that doesn't add anything of great use. It's a rather big turd in an otherwise delicious punchbowl, and it is going to become a real-world talking point about iPhones starting today.

Turn-by-turn is great. If only Google could bring that out of Android-land and into their iOS app.

Re: iOS 6 and OS X 10.8.2 Now Available

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Post by mikeash »

jpxxx wrote: post #26
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw someone tweet (and someone I follow retweet) this: "Nine years ago Safari was released: a fringe browser that didn't run sites for IE well. Today, its engine powers everything. Now think maps." I laughed and then felt really, really bad for them. It's unbelievable the way people react to criticism. (in any cases, not just Apple/iPhone)

Trojankitten is extraordinarily astute and her opinion is not to be dismissed as partisanship. She is correct in that Maps are a fundamental and incredibly important platform service that will only become moreso over time. Doesn't change how much they suck today, though.

If it doesn't change how much they suck today, then why do people keep bringing it up in response to complaints about how much they suck today? I can understand speculating that the new maps will get better, but I don't understand why that's being used as a response to people talking about how terrible they are now.
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