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Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by nothrabannosir »

jjmarr wrote: post #53
al_borland wrote: post #17

While this seems like a lot, in some ways this is what user's expect. Push notifications should be coming all the time, assuming the system is on. Most users expect various maintenance services to run when the system idle so it doesn't interfere with their active use of the system. When users open apps like Weather (or view a widget), they expect it to already be up to date without having to manually refresh or wait…

Is it even a push notification if you have to fetch them from a server?

Is there mobile push technology which is actually fundamentally push, all the way down to the transport layer? Like open socket, listening for incoming packets only, no notifications-> no traffic?

I was under the impression it was all polling if you go down far enough, but at least because of central registration the phone only needs to poll one single pubsub service instead of a separate server per subscription.

Could be wrong though?

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by snehk »

neogodless wrote: post #51
al_borland wrote: post #17

While this seems like a lot, in some ways this is what user's expect. Push notifications should be coming all the time, assuming the system is on. Most users expect various maintenance services to run when the system idle so it doesn't interfere with their active use of the system. When users open apps like Weather (or view a widget), they expect it to already be up to date without having to manually refresh or wait…

When Microsoft has telemetry: * Windows is a spyware machine - how can anyone use it? Year of Linux baby! When Apple has telemetry: * It's working as expected. So... to be fair, is there a thorough comparison of the two? How are they the same, and how are they different?

But the things mentioned in the post above yours have nothing to do with telemetry. They're more like core functions to make the system work at all.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by Henchman21 »

ath92 wrote: post #57
al_borland wrote: post #17

While this seems like a lot, in some ways this is what user's expect. Push notifications should be coming all the time, assuming the system is on. Most users expect various maintenance services to run when the system idle so it doesn't interfere with their active use of the system. When users open apps like Weather (or view a widget), they expect it to already be up to date without having to manually refresh or wait…

Regular users don’t think of push notifications as something that needs to go through some central server owned by Apple. If Alice sends Bob a message, shouldn’t that require only their phones to communicate with one another, without some third party?

But how would they make sure that conversation is safe and approved if it isn’t monitored?

(/s for those who need it)

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by tl »

this_user wrote: post #55

Apple is the new Microsoft. They have pretty much saturated their target market. And since there is nothing much new to do, teams justify their existence in the org by changing existing things and adding unneeded functionalities that ultimately make the user experience progressively worse.

Apple has been the new Microsoft long enough, I've begun to suspect the current environment cannot support a new Apple. Joel Spoksky's 2004 "How Microsoft Lost the API War" [1] applies to Apple's 2019 introduction of SwiftUI. Some of the AI companies are trying, but the more favorably I think of a competitor in that market, the less likely they are to build consumer hardware.

[1]: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2004/06/13/how-microsoft-lost...

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by [deleted] »

ath92 wrote: post #57
al_borland wrote: post #17

While this seems like a lot, in some ways this is what user's expect. Push notifications should be coming all the time, assuming the system is on. Most users expect various maintenance services to run when the system idle so it doesn't interfere with their active use of the system. When users open apps like Weather (or view a widget), they expect it to already be up to date without having to manually refresh or wait…

Regular users don’t think of push notifications as something that needs to go through some central server owned by Apple. If Alice sends Bob a message, shouldn’t that require only their phones to communicate with one another, without some third party?

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Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by [deleted] »

fortran77 wrote: post #4
thomassmith65 wrote: post #2

With Apple, you want to block *.apple.com and white-list subdomains as you need them. If instead you black-list apple subdomains, the battle will never end.

Why use Apple at all if it’s so user-hostile? (I’m a Windows user.)

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Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by righthand »

jamesy0ung wrote: post #60
neogodless wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Microsoft has telemetry: * Windows is a spyware machine - how can anyone use it? Year of Linux baby! When Apple has telemetry: * It's working as expected. So... to be fair, is there a thorough comparison of the two? How are they the same, and how are they different?

Apple is nowhere near as evil as Microsoft, so I’m willing to put up with it.

Apple has been involved in all the same government spying programs as Microsoft. They do not offer any services or products with E2E encryption that they do not control the key too.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by razemio »

ath92 wrote: post #57
al_borland wrote: post #17

While this seems like a lot, in some ways this is what user's expect. Push notifications should be coming all the time, assuming the system is on. Most users expect various maintenance services to run when the system idle so it doesn't interfere with their active use of the system. When users open apps like Weather (or view a widget), they expect it to already be up to date without having to manually refresh or wait…

Regular users don’t think of push notifications as something that needs to go through some central server owned by Apple. If Alice sends Bob a message, shouldn’t that require only their phones to communicate with one another, without some third party?

This would mean, that every app notification needs to contact a different server. Lets say you have 20 Apps that send notifications. 20 different connections would work in the background to fetch updates instead of 1.

Privacy vise this is an issue and the reason that messangers like signal and matrix would use their own services on android. However this reduced battery runtime by a good margin and android and ios get more aggressiv at killing background tasks each os iteration.

To make things worse, push notifications for matrix and signal where unrealiable, because manufacturers like oneplus, oppo and some others where killing all the background tasks against specification to win the influencer battery tests.

Re: My Mac contacted 63 different Apple owned domains in an hour, while not is use

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Post by goosejuice »

jamesy0ung wrote: post #60
neogodless wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Microsoft has telemetry: * Windows is a spyware machine - how can anyone use it? Year of Linux baby! When Apple has telemetry: * It's working as expected. So... to be fair, is there a thorough comparison of the two? How are they the same, and how are they different?

Apple is nowhere near as evil as Microsoft, so I’m willing to put up with it.

Well if you're going to throw that out there, you might as well explain.
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