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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by bad_user »

oulipo wrote: post #36

Honestly I had long not wanted to do it, but now I started to get a server on Hetzner ($4/mo) and install Dokploy ( https://github.com/Dokploy/dokploy ) `curl -sSL https://dokploy.com/install.sh | sh` and then you have tens of templates for alternative self-hosted websites that you can use (Hoarder for bookmarks, ownCloud to replace Dropbox, etc) I'm not going to keep putting all my notes and personal data in the han…

Self-hosting hundreds of GBs of data isn't feasible, you also need backups and it's a terrible idea for most people. Hetzner does provide managed Nextcloud instances.

For bookmarks, I recommend Linkding: https://linkding.link

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by pjc50 »

windward wrote: post #34
WJW wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably a bunch of Europeans would lose their jobs if the Americans stop buying cars and machine tools and whatnot from Europe.

Unfortunately yes. Our biggest company is Novo Nordisk, a company that sells weightloss drugs to Americans. It narrowly beats out LVMH, a company that sells luxury goods to Americans.

There's a risk that the US starts deciding that it won't respect pharma patents of non-US companies, even if they hold US patents, but that really does blow up the industry world wide and will cause the obvious retaliation of not respecting US patents overseas.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by rsynnott »

buyucu wrote: post #41
mixedbit wrote: post #8

The incoming Q1 earning reports will show if these actions are mainstream enough to make a visible dent in companies quarterly earnings. For now, the already reported Tesla sales numbers in Europe are substantially down, but Tesla is the strongest target of the boycott. It will be interesting to see if consumer companies such as Coca Cola, Nike, Amazon also report a substantial drop in EU sales.

Q1 is waay too early for any of these things to manifest. it's easy not to buy a tesla. it's much harder to move your company from one supplier to another.

Q1 may start to show some effects, especially for the likes of Tesla who rely ~entirely on sales of big-ticket items to consumers (though I think Tesla's a special case here in any case; Musk's recent misbehaviour would be hurting it even outside the context of an incipient trade war). There aren't actually many US companies in that space with a big European market, though. Apple, maybe, but even then a lot of their sales would be non-consumer.

As you say, big effects for most companies, if they come, will come later.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by pjc50 »

jjani wrote: post #60
windward wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately yes. Our biggest company is Novo Nordisk, a company that sells weightloss drugs to Americans. It narrowly beats out LVMH, a company that sells luxury goods to Americans.

Novo Nordisk, probably. But surely LVMH's revenue is very diversified globally? The Middle-East and Asia are big markets for them. On top of that they're luxury goods, their bought for their prestige. Barely anyone uses AWS for such reasons. Good luck convincing the wealthy in the US that some new US brand is a good replacement for their Louis Vuitton bags, Moët champagne and Bulgari watches. The US has lots of ultra…

> Good luck convincing the wealthy in the US that some new US brand is a good replacement for their Louis Vuitton bags, Moët champagne and Bulgari watches.

Depends how far the culture war goes.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by vladms »

glimshe wrote: post #13

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Did Europeans like it when commerce with Russia was interrupted? No, they would have very much preferred for trade to continue.

My guess is that some things (wars - physical or economical) make things worse for everybody - to different degrees - history will tell.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by 5- »

verzali wrote: post #15
mentalgear wrote: post #3

It's one thing to visit the website, but I would be interested what % is actually migrating? For me personally, I had to install the "Go European" browser extension [1] before I actually started switching, due to more frequent reminders, from using mostly chatGPT/claude to LeChat by mistral (which feels at least as good). My Take-away: User stickiness is hard to break due to providers' walled gardens, even for me who…

I started switching. Email was pretty easy to set up a new account with a different provider and to change on the main websites I use. Good way to "unsubscribe" to a load of spam as well. Switching apps or uninstalling where possible on the phone helped. No more google maps for example, and removing or switching things like gmail or chrome from the home screen also helped break the habit of checking them.

having your own domain is worth it for email portability.

no matter who is hosting your email (megacorp, a hn darling, your hosting provider, yourself) you get to keep your email addresses. this also means one of the primary means of authenticating you online is not kept hostage by any business.

even for free email services that don't support custom domains, you can likely set up mail forwarding for free or very cheap with your domain hoster, and set up 'send as' alias in your inbox.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by GaggiX »

oulipo wrote: post #43
GaggiX wrote: post #10

Youtube is the real tough one to replace, BiliBili is probably the only one that comes close to it and it's Chinese.

https://framatube.org/

Compare to YouTube it has almost no content, like what if I want to see a gameplay of Balatro.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by jensgk »

phtrivier wrote: post #49

The very interesting question will then be : how many people _do_ switch ? For the personnal tools, people have lots of leeway (change mail provider, search engine, ai chatbot, etc...) For the enterprise, I really wonder how you defend a "let's migrate our infra from AWS to X" in general, even for technological reason or business reason ; I don't even know how you start a conversation like "aws works fine for us, but…

It is not about politics any more. It is about trust.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by pjmlp »

bsaul wrote: post #32
pjmlp wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Globalisation is over, and we were not the ones triggering its end.

i really really don't understand how americans don't realize that their president is sabotaging their economy. They were number 1 everywhere, and yet he destroyed all relationships with their main economical and military allies. It's totally impossible to understand, except with some hollywoodest scenario. But the fact that some american support this is borderline crazy.

They are, YouTube and Instagram are full of folks trying to pass the actual information, at least from the time being MSNBC and CNN are also putting the good fight, while FoxNews is hardly indistinguishable from state TV of any authoritarian country, hence why the adminstration already pointed out they should be put into their place.

Many folks are rising up, question is how long, and how hard it is going to get, will they push the army into the population, for example.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by brettermeier »

apexalpha wrote: post #45

At my (enterprise) job there has been a noticable shift in attitude. We've just decided to use Mistral for OCR, even though everything we currently use is embedded in Azure / IntelDocs or something. Usually any push for EU products would be dismissed because of the initial friction compared to SV products. This seems to have shifted significantly all the way to the top. Everyone seems on board to just accept more fri…

Getting away from AWS is a big step! I hope the company I work for will think about it too. But maybe the time has come. A few months ago, people thought you were crazy if you talked about moving to another cloud service, but I hope the mood has changed with big impact for the future and which services we trust.
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