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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by pjc50 »

mixedbit wrote: post #8

The incoming Q1 earning reports will show if these actions are mainstream enough to make a visible dent in companies quarterly earnings. For now, the already reported Tesla sales numbers in Europe are substantially down, but Tesla is the strongest target of the boycott. It will be interesting to see if consumer companies such as Coca Cola, Nike, Amazon also report a substantial drop in EU sales.

It feels like there's always somebody campaigning for a boycott of some megacorp or other, but this time there's likely to be a breakout from the narrow activist circles (who already weren't buying Coca Cola, Nike, Amazon) into the mainstream public.

Tesla in particular are so easily targeted for "secondary picketing": people making it embarrasing to own a Tesla or just straight up targeting them for vandalism.

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Post by bsaul »

pjmlp wrote: post #17
glimshe wrote: post #13

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Globalisation is over, and we were not the ones triggering its end.

i really really don't understand how americans don't realize that their president is sabotaging their economy. They were number 1 everywhere, and yet he destroyed all relationships with their main economical and military allies.

It's totally impossible to understand, except with some hollywoodest scenario. But the fact that some american support this is borderline crazy.

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Post by windward »

WJW wrote: post #23
avh02 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why would Europeans not like it? edit: aha, misread the comment, i read it as, roughly: "europeans would not like it if americans start looking at the european alternatives", not "looking at alternatives to european products" - yes, i agree, Europeans would not like that.

Presumably a bunch of Europeans would lose their jobs if the Americans stop buying cars and machine tools and whatnot from Europe.

Unfortunately yes. Our biggest company is Novo Nordisk, a company that sells weightloss drugs to Americans. It narrowly beats out LVMH, a company that sells luxury goods to Americans.

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Post by buyucu »

Darmody wrote: post #12
buyucu wrote: post #4

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While I agree that Europe needs its own companies I don't think turning allies into enemies is a good idea.

well, that is for the americans to sort out their issues. clearly they have a lot of them.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by oulipo »

Honestly I had long not wanted to do it, but now I started to get a server on Hetzner ($4/mo) and install Dokploy (https://github.com/Dokploy/dokploy)

`curl -sSL https://dokploy.com/install.sh | sh`

and then you have tens of templates for alternative self-hosted websites that you can use (Hoarder for bookmarks, ownCloud to replace Dropbox, etc)

I'm not going to keep putting all my notes and personal data in the hands of American companies which might be pressured by the fascist US govt to hand them over personal infos and passwords...

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Post by buyucu »

praptak wrote: post #11
buyucu wrote: post #4

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I call this kind of argument "ignited gas burner cools the water". The water boils, so evaporation increases, so evaporative cooling increases, which cools the water. Edit: I mean: most of the bad stuff creates secondary effects which work the opposite way and can be considered good.

there is the concept of creative destruction in history and economics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_destruction

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Post by jensgk »

ETH_start wrote: post #9

This reminds me of Soviet ersatz products. Like the Soviet Union, the European Union operates at a scale where it can feasibly create a nearly full suite of goods/services in parallel to the market alternative.

There are many other countries in the world. The world will go on, even with reduced trade with the US. We will just increase trade with Canada, Australia, Japan, etc. and even China.

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Post by bsaul »

moffkalast wrote: post #27

> Mistral AI > Hosted in: Sweden Well that's interesting, I'd have thought they would work with Scaleway for "the cat", is there some Swedish company offering cheap GPU instances?

i think relocating to france is a work in progress.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by oulipo »

mentalgear wrote: post #3

It's one thing to visit the website, but I would be interested what % is actually migrating? For me personally, I had to install the "Go European" browser extension [1] before I actually started switching, due to more frequent reminders, from using mostly chatGPT/claude to LeChat by mistral (which feels at least as good). My Take-away: User stickiness is hard to break due to providers' walled gardens, even for me who…

This is why the European Union is trying to break walled-gardens of US tech (Apple, Google, etc)

So that in the long term, we preserve viable alternatives, exactly for times like these where we cannot trust the US govt

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