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Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by EasyMark »

bradley13 wrote: post #19

Will be installing in a week or two. I'm not a fan of snap, and I know Mint doesn't use it (by default, anyway), but I'm used to Xubuntu and will stick with it for now. Apparently, the upgrade path isn't quite ready yet. If you're installing now, do a fresh install.

They use snap more and more with each release. It's why I switched over to Pop OS. I like flatpak since it's not baked into the distro. I don't mind if sometimes a theme or something doesn't the system one. I'm not one of those types who is "shocked" and "jarred" by gui differences.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by queuebert »

SoftTalker wrote: post #39
maz1b wrote: post #2

As someone who works across the stack, I've come to really appreciate seeing "LTS" and I think for me it comes from Ubuntu directly growing up as a kid in technology, understanding it means that people are committed to supporting something for the long term. Obviously I know there are business cases for this sort of stuff and whatnot generally, but as a kid first learning what LTS meant, I've always appreciated Ubunt…

I was about to comment that even the 5-year standard support of LTS releases seems to end before I'm ready, but I looked at the release cycle page and 24.04 is posted with a 10 year (ending Apr 2034) standard support lifetime. Is that a typo or did they put the "pro" (paid) support end date in the wrong column? https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle

That's with ESM, which is only free for up to 5 machines, IIRC.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by nequo »

sys_64738 wrote: post #48
s1k3s wrote: post #31

3 years ago I switched from Ubuntu back to Windows because of the many driver issues, especially in newer hardware. Is this still a problem?

I thought the rule of thumb was to wait six months for the Linux kernel to support the new hardware. Usually that's the source of driver problems.

There’s that, and on Ubuntu the hardware enablement stack to support newer hardware on LTS:

https://ubuntu.com/kernel/lifecycle

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by a1o »

s1k3s wrote: post #31

3 years ago I switched from Ubuntu back to Windows because of the many driver issues, especially in newer hardware. Is this still a problem?

It depends. Desktop? Everything works fine. Laptop? Then it's better to check the parts and also to avoid laptops with Nvidia stuff.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by [deleted] »

a1o wrote: post #65
s1k3s wrote: post #31

3 years ago I switched from Ubuntu back to Windows because of the many driver issues, especially in newer hardware. Is this still a problem?

It depends. Desktop? Everything works fine. Laptop? Then it's better to check the parts and also to avoid laptops with Nvidia stuff.

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Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by bithead »

EasyMark wrote: post #61
bradley13 wrote: post #19

Will be installing in a week or two. I'm not a fan of snap, and I know Mint doesn't use it (by default, anyway), but I'm used to Xubuntu and will stick with it for now. Apparently, the upgrade path isn't quite ready yet. If you're installing now, do a fresh install.

They use snap more and more with each release. It's why I switched over to Pop OS. I like flatpak since it's not baked into the distro. I don't mind if sometimes a theme or something doesn't the system one. I'm not one of those types who is "shocked" and "jarred" by gui differences.

I get the idea behind snap, flatpak, and appimage. But what I don't like is:

1.) config file locations end up all over the place depending on which you use. I like taking my .thunderbird data and just dropping it from one system to the next as one example. Snap makes that harder. Likewise for firefox - the snap version is behind as well.

2.) It solves a problem already long since solved in linux systems - package management. You still need APT or what ever the distro is built with. Two systems solving the same problem often seems like one cook too many. Hell even homebrew in macos is a pain.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by trueismywork »

layer8 wrote: post #50
trueismywork wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know. Depends on whether it has devices where manufacturers have written drivers only for windows or also for Linux. Sometimes vendors also hide information on how firmware works to prevent other people from writing drivers for Linux. Of course end users think Linux doesn't support that hardware, when reality is that the device manufacturers don't support Linux.

It doesn’t matter, the end result is that you are substantially more limited in hardware choice and generally have more trouble with Linux on newer hardware. So if you’re not invested in Linux ideologically, it’s difficult to recommend, for laptops in particular.

I didn't state anything to the contrary. I just said it depends on the hardware and is not a problem of linux.

Your choice is limited with linux but if buy hardware that's good for Linux, then everything works quite well.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by runjake »

axytol wrote: post #22
butz wrote: post #11

Interesting observation, that in 20 years installer iso size grew almost ten times: from 643M CD to current 5.7G image, that won't fit even on single layer DVD (not that someone are still using those). I was also surprised how little difference "default selection" and "extended selection" makes in disk space usage - "extended" is taking up only 1GB more of disk space.

One nice benefit for optical media is that it's hard read only by default. This makes it easy to ensure the install media does not get corrupted by overwrites or malware.

Hardware SATA write blockers aren’t too expensive. They’re typically used for digital forensics.
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