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Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by trueismywork »

dventimi wrote: post #33
trueismywork wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's generally problem with bad hardware yes. With good hardware, it's not a problem. Bad hardware = hardware by vendors who intentionally or unintentionally design it with only windows in mind.

I have a brand new Lenovo laptop. Is that "bad hardware"?

I don't know. Depends on whether it has devices where manufacturers have written drivers only for windows or also for Linux. Sometimes vendors also hide information on how firmware works to prevent other people from writing drivers for Linux.

Of course end users think Linux doesn't support that hardware, when reality is that the device manufacturers don't support Linux.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by [deleted] »

dventimi wrote: post #35
s1k3s wrote: post #31

3 years ago I switched from Ubuntu back to Windows because of the many driver issues, especially in newer hardware. Is this still a problem?

Yes, it's still a problem. People will tell you that's there's "bad hardware" and maybe there is, but here's the thing: Windows will probably work with it, even if it's "bad".

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Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by ivanjermakov »

butz wrote: post #11

Interesting observation, that in 20 years installer iso size grew almost ten times: from 643M CD to current 5.7G image, that won't fit even on single layer DVD (not that someone are still using those). I was also surprised how little difference "default selection" and "extended selection" makes in disk space usage - "extended" is taking up only 1GB more of disk space.

Wow! Is there a breakdown of how this space is used? Arch ISO is 950MB...

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by layer8 »

NorwegianDude wrote: post #26

First impressions of 24.04 desktop compared to 22.04 is that it feels more polished. A lot of apps on 22.04 had large windows around them taking up way to much vertical space by default. The foundation is way better than any other OS, so if they just keep improving the UI/UX then it would be a dream to use.

The foundation is Debian, by the way.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by axytol »

zaikunzhang wrote: post #24

Ubuntu is my first and last Linux distribution, which I have used for 16 years without discontinuation, since my early PhD days up to today. The only change during the 16 years is that I switched from Ubuntu (with Gnome) to Xubuntu (with Xfce) [1], but I still call it Ubuntu. When people ask me about the difference between the two, I respond "color". I spend 90% of my time on the terminal, and I prefer the gray-blue…

As a fellow alternative Ubuntu user, one additional difference is the LTS support schedule which is shorter for Ubuntu alternatives. For example, Xubuntu 24.04 is supported until 2027, while Ubuntu 24.04 is supported until 2029.

Interestingly, as I understood it, when a release such as Xubuntu goes out of support it does not stop getting updates that are not specific to that respective flavor, so in a way you still have some indirect support, but feels a bit like a gamble.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by zaikunzhang »

queuebert wrote: post #34
zaikunzhang wrote: post #24

Ubuntu is my first and last Linux distribution, which I have used for 16 years without discontinuation, since my early PhD days up to today. The only change during the 16 years is that I switched from Ubuntu (with Gnome) to Xubuntu (with Xfce) [1], but I still call it Ubuntu. When people ask me about the difference between the two, I respond "color". I spend 90% of my time on the terminal, and I prefer the gray-blue…

Have you tried Ubuntu Kylin [1]? If so, what did you not like about it? 1. https://www.ubuntukylin.com/

Not really. But I have introduced (enforced ...) deepin [1] to my wife, who is definitely not a "computer person". She essentially uses only WPS, WeChat, and Chrome. She did complain a few times in the beginning, requesting me to "get her Windows back", but I resisted and the complaints somehow stopped after the first month. This may be a sign that the system is not toooo difficult to use, and that I am an extremely lucky man with an extraordinarily forgiving wife --- I do not advise you to try the same unless you are as lucky!

[1] https://www.deepin.org/index/en

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by sys_64738 »

s1k3s wrote: post #31

3 years ago I switched from Ubuntu back to Windows because of the many driver issues, especially in newer hardware. Is this still a problem?

I thought the rule of thumb was to wait six months for the Linux kernel to support the new hardware. Usually that's the source of driver problems.

Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

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Post by layer8 »

trueismywork wrote: post #41
dventimi wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a brand new Lenovo laptop. Is that "bad hardware"?

I don't know. Depends on whether it has devices where manufacturers have written drivers only for windows or also for Linux. Sometimes vendors also hide information on how firmware works to prevent other people from writing drivers for Linux. Of course end users think Linux doesn't support that hardware, when reality is that the device manufacturers don't support Linux.

It doesn’t matter, the end result is that you are substantially more limited in hardware choice and generally have more trouble with Linux on newer hardware. So if you’re not invested in Linux ideologically, it’s difficult to recommend, for laptops in particular.
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