Jay from Learn Linux TV [0] had problems. I get a sense it's been rushed out. Might want to hold out for a minor release.
Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat
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#22Interesting observation, that in 20 years installer iso size grew almost ten times: from 643M CD to current 5.7G image, that won't fit even on single layer DVD (not that someone are still using those). I was also surprised how little difference "default selection" and "extended selection" makes in disk space usage - "extended" is taking up only 1GB more of disk space.
One nice benefit for optical media is that it's hard read only by default. This makes it easy to ensure the install media does not get corrupted by overwrites or malware.
Re: Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat
#23Interesting observation, that in 20 years installer iso size grew almost ten times: from 643M CD to current 5.7G image, that won't fit even on single layer DVD (not that someone are still using those). I was also surprised how little difference "default selection" and "extended selection" makes in disk space usage - "extended" is taking up only 1GB more of disk space.
From what I understand a significant amount is Nvidia drivers and Nvidia stuff.
It comes with Nouveau, but drivers and sofware from Nvidia is only installed manually after the fact.
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#24Ubuntu is my first and last Linux distribution, which I have used for 16 years without discontinuation, since my early PhD days up to today.
The only change during the 16 years is that I switched from Ubuntu (with Gnome) to Xubuntu (with Xfce) [1], but I still call it Ubuntu. When people ask me about the difference between the two, I respond "color". I spend 90% of my time on the terminal, and I prefer the gray-blue style of Xfce and its lightness when I use the window system during the other 10%.
Before starting Linux, I had a very limited idea about what a computer is and how it works. An anecdote I often relate to my students is that I once copied the icon of an application (Turbo C) from one computer to another, believing that I could use the application on the second computer. Linux has taught me what a computer really is.
An "achievement" may be worth mentioning: in the past 16 years, essentially all my work as an applied mathematician has been typed under terminal using Vim, including papers, lecture notes, slides, programs, and particularly my 200-page PhD thesis in Chinese. It was not quite trivial to type Chinese in Vim --- think about it: how to get a Chinese inputting system that can work seamlessly with Vim's key bindings? Fcitx would not work (at least it was the case 13 years ago).
[1] Xubuntu 24.04 released! https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-24-04-released
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is the result of how bluetooth itself works for bi-directional voice headsets, no? I do get bad quality on every OS when I have to do this, unless it has to do with the audio codec.
My windows 11 computer does the same thing. It’s because of the limited bandwidth in Bluetooth that it has to lower the audio quality
AFAIK windows gets around this by having audio devices for the A2DP profile (ie. audio output only) and the HFP profile (ie. audio output and input) and having both be active at the same time. The A2DP device is set as the "default device" which means if you play spotify or whatever the audio goes through that and you hear high quality audio. The HFP device is set as the "default communications device", which is what apps like Teams or Zoom is supposed to use, and has shitty audio quality.
> It’s because of the limited bandwidth in Bluetooth that it has to lower the audio quality
It's not a bandwidth limitation. According to google A2DP supports up to 728kbit/s, but SBC (the default codec) only goes up to around 300. Clearly there's enough bandwidth for mid quality input and output streams.
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#26First impressions of 24.04 desktop compared to 22.04 is that it feels more polished. A lot of apps on 22.04 had large windows around them taking up way to much vertical space by default.
The foundation is way better than any other OS, so if they just keep improving the UI/UX then it would be a dream to use.
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#27Will I finally be able to use a bluetooth headset's high quality audio output and its mic at the same time without significant changes in the terminal? It's getting embarrassing that every other mobile and desktop OS has no problem doing this but not Ubuntu.
What desktop os? MacOS doesn't work well with Samsung stuff regarding quality, Windows 11 + Microsoft Teams = quality is somehow worse.
Not just Ubuntu and Bluetooth; my Mac using USB to my conference speaker+mic shifts to much lower output quality when the mic turns on.
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#28Ah good times. I started out with one of the early ones, maybe 4.04 or something like that. Ubuntu was my first Linux, and then Mint. Unfortunately, for work purposes, I had to switch to MacOS (not a bad OS), but I still miss Linux from time to time, especially reading about that story on the frontpage about people losing access to their Apple IDs. I think I'll give it another shot soon...
It's very good. I probably shouldn't say that but I have been daily driving Ubuntu for about 10 years. There are certainly 'rough' edges but anyone technical should be comfortable getting it done. Increasingly I think Windows is an self-driving automatic car where Ubuntu is a manual car that you have to drive. Sure, you'll have to bang around under the hood occasionally but if your job is working on cars, it shouldn'…
Desktop users who last used, and liked, Ubuntu during the pre-Unity/pre-GNOME-3/pre-Wayland era (before 2011 or so) may not like it so much these days.
It's a very different default experience now.
While I have fond memories of the earlier releases of Ubuntu, the more modern releases have been pretty much unusable for me any time I've tried them, unless I redo the default desktop environment with something sensible. Snap certainly hasn't helped the overall usability, either. Having to make so many changes pretty much defeats the purpose of using a distro in the first place.
I've also helped several non-technical and semi-technical macOS and/or Windows users who've wanted to try Linux. The ones who wanted to try Ubuntu first ended up much happier when I eventually introduced them to KDE running on X.
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#29I’d like to try it out but they don’t have arm64 isos, so…
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#30Interesting observation, that in 20 years installer iso size grew almost ten times: from 643M CD to current 5.7G image, that won't fit even on single layer DVD (not that someone are still using those). I was also surprised how little difference "default selection" and "extended selection" makes in disk space usage - "extended" is taking up only 1GB more of disk space.
One nice benefit for optical media is that it's hard read only by default. This makes it easy to ensure the install media does not get corrupted by overwrites or malware.
No, it's not read-only. It's just that the writes are somewhat random, and in control of God and physics, rather than, of human design.
(speaking as someone with a big pile of CD-Rs in the attic, most of which have some forms of corruption on them)
I'd love to see a standard like M-Disc in mainstream use. The problem is optical has not kept up with magnetic. M-Disc is about $100 for 100GB. In contrast, I bought a 20TB HDD for ≈$200-300, so about $10/TB, so 100x cheaper. It's as cheap to buy a HDD every year and make a full copy for a century as it is to buy M-Disc.
I don't think that's fundamental, so much as economies-of-scale. Optical should be cheaper per density, more stable, and write-only, but CD was invented in 1982, DVD in the nineties, and we've only made limited progress since then. HDD were on a rapid growth curve until SSDs came in. Today, SSDs are on the growth curve, and I expect will eventually be cheaper than magnetic or optical.