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Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

Nextgrid wrote: post #41
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #30

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> You can definitely live like a hermit, but the problem is that more and more things don't have open alternatives. This site is called "Hacker News", and not "Technology Hipster News". Since you likely are a hacker, you should have a pretty good idea what to do ... :-)

You're at least a decade late if you think "hacking" (in the sense of building things) is going to get you out of this situation. The problem with these platforms is network effects and lack of interoperability and not in the technical effort required to build an alternative. This is in fact where regulation can help (and like the EU's DMA already attempts to) get us back to a state where you can actually "hack" your…

> You're at least a decade late if you think "hacking" (in the sense of building things) is going to get you out of this situation. The problem with these platforms is network effects and lack of interoperability and not in the technical effort required to build an alternative.

In the 90s, the same "arguments" held for Microsoft's applications. The hackers decided to build GNU/Linux and other open source operating systems.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by wilg »

njharman wrote: post #33
wilg wrote: post #21

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Is this not also true with, say, a VHS tape? In what sense do you "own" it? You aren't legally allowed to copy it or whatever. It's still just a license.

Go learn about land mark Universal vs Sony time shifting and RIAA v Diamond space shifting copyright cases. Or, at very least stop spreading misinformation.

How unhelpful!

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Post by wilg »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #24
wilg wrote: post #21

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Is this not also true with, say, a VHS tape? In what sense do you "own" it? You aren't legally allowed to copy it or whatever. It's still just a license.

You're allowed to copy a VHS tape, you're just not allowed to distribute copies of VHS tapes. You still own the physical tape itself, and you have a perpetual right to play, copy, and modify the tape as much as you like, for personal use.

My point is that in a physical tape you still only own a license of the content. This is a slightly less restrictive license than digital DRM, and is governed by copyright law, but is still a license.

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Post by Daneel_ »

wilg wrote: post #64
bluefirebrand wrote: post #24

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You're allowed to copy a VHS tape, you're just not allowed to distribute copies of VHS tapes. You still own the physical tape itself, and you have a perpetual right to play, copy, and modify the tape as much as you like, for personal use.

My point is that in a physical tape you still only own a license of the content. This is a slightly less restrictive license than digital DRM, and is governed by copyright law, but is still a license.

Of course you can copy it. You just can’t sell that copy to someone else while keeping your own copy too. That’s copyright infringement.

I’m not sure what you’re on about with “license” in this context. You own the VHS. Do with it what you like.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by calamari4065 »

nickff wrote: post #26
stavros wrote: post #23

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I just pirate. I'll stop when my rights are respected, promise.

I’ve heard many “pirates” say similar things, and when their condition is met, they find a new demand. Why would an IP rights-holder believe you? Why not just buy physical media where available, and abstain where an acceptable legal option is not provided?

When it's harder to legally pay for media than it is to pirate, it's your own fault when people pirate.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by tzs »

stavros wrote: post #45
causality0 wrote: post #40

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Well said. Users pirating content vs the largest companies on earth fucking users in every way they can possibly get away with is a great example of "one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic".

They don't just fuck users, they fuck their employees as well. How many writers' strikes have there been now? How much of an open secret was Weinstein raping and abusing actresses? I hope the whole system dies, and maybe something better will take its place. I'm sure I won't miss Guardians of the Galaxy XXIV.

> I'm sure I won't miss Guardians of the Galaxy XXIV.

Is this because you thought GotG 1-3 were bad and they are just going to keep making more bad stuff, or because you thought GotG 1-3 were good but have pretty much wrapped up the story of those characters so it is now time to stop, or something else?

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by pravus »

nickff wrote: post #26
stavros wrote: post #23

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I just pirate. I'll stop when my rights are respected, promise.

I’ve heard many “pirates” say similar things, and when their condition is met, they find a new demand. Why would an IP rights-holder believe you? Why not just buy physical media where available, and abstain where an acceptable legal option is not provided?

> Why would an IP rights-holder believe you?

Because in addition to all the filthy pirated booty I stole, I would also show them this:

    * My 350+ physical CD collection
    * My 200+ physical DVD/Blu-Ray
    * My entire merch collection for Nine Inch Nails (>$1000)
    * My entire merch collection for Rings of Saturn (>$1000)
    * My merch collection from many, many, many other bands
    * Pages of receipts from Bandcamp and other e-media distributors
    * Pages of receipts from direct payments to artists themselves
    * The mass of ticket stubs I've acquired from live shows
    * The mass of movie ticket stubs I've acquired from theaters
I'm never paying for entertainment again. I paid my dues and the industry has done nothing but fuck me and everyone else.

Fuck them. It's over.

Have fun paying to sing "Happy Birthday".

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by LoganDark »

kmeisthax wrote: post #53
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #31

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It's not, WTH are you on about. My old Blu-Rays, will still play in my old Blu-Ray player 50 years from now. Those keys are burned in the DVD and in the player's chip and can't be remotely revoked because they run on physics, not magic.

That's assuming you only ever run old Blu-Rays on that player. Blu-Ray has a thing called BD+ on it, which lets content companies run arbitrary native code on your player (among other things). It also lets you update your player's key revocation list for HDCP. So either of these mechanisms could be used to render your old purchased content unplayable.

That's fun... if you connect your DVD player to the internet.
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