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Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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If you want to really own something, buy physical media. Simple as.

Physical media (one that is left) is encrypted with remotely revokable licenses as well, so not sure what are you implying here.

It's not, WTH are you on about. My old Blu-Rays, will still play in my old Blu-Ray player 50 years from now. Those keys are burned in the DVD and in the player's chip and can't be remotely revoked because they run on physics, not magic.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not piracy. Piracy is duplicating content, this is theft. From what I was told by mafiaa, this should be punished harshly.

I think GP's sardonic point was that this sort of thing is more analogous to actual piracy than torrenting is -- people are actually being deprived of things they purchased here.

Yeah, I got that, but I thought this was a good time to point out that this is actual theft.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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With DRM you never purchase _content_. You only purchase a _license_ to access it. Words do matter. I sense possible legal grounds for reimbursments if it wasn't crystal clear to the layman.

Is this not also true with, say, a VHS tape? In what sense do you "own" it? You aren't legally allowed to copy it or whatever. It's still just a license.

Go learn about land mark Universal vs Sony time shifting and RIAA v Diamond space shifting copyright cases.

Or, at very least stop spreading misinformation.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Physical media (one that is left) is encrypted with remotely revokable licenses as well, so not sure what are you implying here.

It's not, WTH are you on about. My old Blu-Rays, will still play in my old Blu-Ray player 50 years from now. Those keys are burned in the DVD and in the player's chip and can't be remotely revoked because they run on physics, not magic.

Technically speaking, even bluray degrade over time so those key might get unreadable, not sure of the average lifespan since there is conflicting info on it but it seems to be around 100 year (ideal condition).

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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With DRM you never purchase _content_. You only purchase a _license_ to access it. Words do matter. I sense possible legal grounds for reimbursments if it wasn't crystal clear to the layman.

Pretty sure they are going to have to refund everyone. That has happened with these kind of B2B disagreements in the past, google stadia was the last one I think. https://www.wired.com/story/how-to-get-your-google-stadia-re... Although there is probably plenty of others.

Read your own article. The byline reads:

> Google is taking the unprecedented step of paying back users for all the games they bought on its cloud gaming platform.

Google _voluntarily_ refunded their customers. It's unheard of and was, frankly, extremely unexpected. Good for Google and good for Stadia customers.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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> you will no longer be able to watch any of your previously purchased Discovery content and the content will be removed Content you purchased. Their wording. Not content you rented, not license you paid for. They are effectively stealing the content you purchased.

If it lives on their servers you never really owned it.

Then they should let you download it

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve heard many “pirates” say similar things, and when their condition is met, they find a new demand. Why would an IP rights-holder believe you? Why not just buy physical media where available, and abstain where an acceptable legal option is not provided?

You misunderstand, I'm not trying to convince rights holders. I hope they go out of business, and I hope my piracy is what does it. It's just that, knowing myself, I know I wouldn't bother with the hassle of pirating if there were a better alternative, like I stopped pirating games and just buy them on Steam now.

I've recently started pirating again specifically because everything has been pulled off of netflix.

I'm not going to be nickle & dime'd. You were getting paid for my consumption and now you're not.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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This is why iTunes Movies are the only place I'll buy things - not because this won't ever happen, but because I can download and continue to play those movies offline so long as iTunes software continues existing.

All iTunes movies have DRM. Read their agreement carefully and you'll see the same thing as Sony and everyone else – they are selling you a license to the media which they can revoke at any time. And Apple has done this plenty of times in the past with movies, books, apps, music.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve heard many “pirates” say similar things, and when their condition is met, they find a new demand. Why would an IP rights-holder believe you? Why not just buy physical media where available, and abstain where an acceptable legal option is not provided?

You misunderstand, I'm not trying to convince rights holders. I hope they go out of business, and I hope my piracy is what does it. It's just that, knowing myself, I know I wouldn't bother with the hassle of pirating if there were a better alternative, like I stopped pirating games and just buy them on Steam now.

Well said. Users pirating content vs the largest companies on earth fucking users in every way they can possibly get away with is a great example of "one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic".
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