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Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by snapplebobapple »

xk_id wrote: post #42
trws wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you consider necessary for “good quality toothpaste?”

I’m not OP or american, but i can comment. >1,500ppm concentration of fluoride is prescription only (so you either pay for a pointless dentist visit or get it on the grey market), despite being safe and much more effective at remineralisation. There are also experimental ingredients such as nanohydroxyapatite and Novamin which are difficult to find on the american market due to the FDA

Novamin works wonders. It took me the last 30% of the way to not being sensitive to heat/cold/acid.i got about 20% there with just normal sensodyne toothpaste and another big chunk with vitamin k complex and vitamin d supplementation (this took about six months to be really noticeable). The order was dictated by me figuring out what i wanted to try and general availability in the case of novamin. So i cant really say if the relative help from each intervention would be different if tried in a different order unfortunately.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by snapplebobapple »

voisin wrote: post #45
xk_id wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not OP or american, but i can comment. >1,500ppm concentration of fluoride is prescription only (so you either pay for a pointless dentist visit or get it on the grey market), despite being safe and much more effective at remineralisation. There are also experimental ingredients such as nanohydroxyapatite and Novamin which are difficult to find on the american market due to the FDA

Novamin used to be available via Sensodyne Pronamel in Canada. I was surprised to see that at some point it disappeared from our market - no longer able to buy at any grocery store or pharmacy or on Amazon, whereas it used to be available in all of these places.

It's now in Sensodyne repair and protect and I usually buy it from walmart.ca 6-10 tubes at a time. There was about 2 years there where I had to buy it on ebay shipped from India though. I did try Biomin and I think that even if the material performs better than novamin, the rest of the toothpaste is so inferior to sensodyne that as a whole it works worse, for me at least.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by mkoubaa »

epgui wrote: post #24

As a biochemist, this seems to be a very complex issue that has been unnecessarily politicized. What happened with this report is interesting in and of itself, but I would not draw any conclusions (or make any inferences) from this, frankly.

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Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by Blackthorn »

snovymgodym wrote: post #2

It's worth thinking about the fact that virtually the entire EU gets by with non fluoridated water.

I'm sorry but the difference you can literally just see between the teeth of US vs EU should disabuse you of the notion that they "get by".

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Post by bawolff »

mkoubaa wrote: post #63
epgui wrote: post #24

As a biochemist, this seems to be a very complex issue that has been unnecessarily politicized. What happened with this report is interesting in and of itself, but I would not draw any conclusions (or make any inferences) from this, frankly.

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You can talk about something without drawing conclusions from a single report.

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Post by jcfrei »

Blackthorn wrote: post #64
snovymgodym wrote: post #2

It's worth thinking about the fact that virtually the entire EU gets by with non fluoridated water.

I'm sorry but the difference you can literally just see between the teeth of US vs EU should disabuse you of the notion that they "get by".

Not sure if you are trolling but are you alluding that the US population has healthier teeth? The "difference you see" is most likely just the much more widespread usage of bleaching in the US (which actually worsens the health of your teeth).

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Post by AequitasOmnibus »

alakep wrote: post #17

I don’t brush my teeth because I don’t want the residual fluoride there. It’s healthier to just slosh some vodka around to kill the germs (this wouldn’t work with kids, but hey they’ll lose their first teeth so who cares).

I hope this is poorly conveyed satire. If not… good God.

Apart from the hygienic value in brushing, whether you agree with it or not, halitosis is an offensive smell to most of the public. Some of the worst breath I’ve ever had to smell came from alcoholics whose spirit of choice is vodka.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by koheripbal »

paddw wrote: post #11

So we know that there is definitely little benefit from ingesting fluoride, and also that we can not rule out negative effects from ingesting fluoride. This seems like... a bit of a big deal?

The harmful dose is many orders of magnitude higher than the concentration in tap water.

Dose makes the poison. Literally any chemical in sufficient dose is poisonous

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