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Public broadcasters want to reclaim online spaces with “Public Spaces Incubator”

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Re: Public broadcasters want to reclaim online spaces with “Public Spaces Incubator”

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Post by dchnshA »

snowpid wrote: post #46

What a waste of public money. It tells a lot that they dont try just creating a mastodon instance but that would too cheap. Public media in Germany also has a very strong left bias. (see https://www.medienpolitik.net/2021/02/das-herz-des-journalis... ) (für die Deutschen auf HN: Hier ein Podcast https://www.welt.de/kultur/medien/article228196819/Podcast-W... wo der Autor seine Thesen noch einmal genauer erläutert. )

> they dont try just creating a mastodon instance but that would too cheap

Nothing there states it will NOT be a Mastodon or rather Fediverse/ActivityPub server. A likely outcome of this is, that their online video platforms will get ActivityPub support as explained here by Leonhard Dobusch, a member of the ZDF Board of Directors that approved this: https://chaos.social/@leonido/109829771565248856 (german)

But you cant start a project to explore Open Protocol options and pre-empt the outcome. The working group on this will figure out the best plan and it will likely be ActivityPub, because what else is there ?

> What a waste of public money.

You have very strong feelings about something you don't seem to know much about.

> Public media in Germany also has a very strong left bias.

*Educated people have a strong left bias.

Also your first link bases this on a poll of "Volontariat" journalist, meaning journalists in the beginning of their career, meaning young people. Congratulations for proving: Young people tend to be leftists. Applause for this groundbreaking discovery.

Re: Public broadcasters want to reclaim online spaces with “Public Spaces Incubator”

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Post by nicbou »

kolp wrote: post #60
nicbou wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so? The government has zero control over it.

The government will put you in jail if you don't pay it. Not quite like a Netflix subscription, then.

The government will put you in jail if you don't pay your gym membership or your parking fines and ignore it after it's sent to collections. It's not specific to the TV tax.

The government neither set nor collects the TV tax, and has no control over what the financed media publishers do.

Do you realize how silly it is to tell me how a system you hitherto didn't know about works by quoting something I wrote? Feel free to check the source it cites for more context.

Re: Public broadcasters want to reclaim online spaces with “Public Spaces Incubator”

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Post by motogpjimbo »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #27
ta1243 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BBC has had comments on its site for over 2 decades

Does it still have comments?

It does, but it turns them off on any article that is even remotely controversial.

Re: Public broadcasters want to reclaim online spaces with “Public Spaces Incubator”

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Post by snowpid »

dchnshA wrote: post #61
snowpid wrote: post #46

What a waste of public money. It tells a lot that they dont try just creating a mastodon instance but that would too cheap. Public media in Germany also has a very strong left bias. (see https://www.medienpolitik.net/2021/02/das-herz-des-journalis... ) (für die Deutschen auf HN: Hier ein Podcast https://www.welt.de/kultur/medien/article228196819/Podcast-W... wo der Autor seine Thesen noch einmal genauer erläutert. )

> they dont try just creating a mastodon instance but that would too cheap Nothing there states it will NOT be a Mastodon or rather Fediverse/ActivityPub server. A likely outcome of this is, that their online video platforms will get ActivityPub support as explained here by Leonhard Dobusch, a member of the ZDF Board of Directors that approved this: https://chaos.social/@leonido/109829771565248856 (german) But you ca…

No seriously no. But again leftist live in their bubble and feel educated while able not to read provided sources.

The waste money is linked to the Working group which is typical for govt agencies. Also with no parlamentarial supervision they wast money again.

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Post by snowpid »

nicbou wrote: post #62
kolp wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government will put you in jail if you don't pay it. Not quite like a Netflix subscription, then.

The government will put you in jail if you don't pay your gym membership or your parking fines and ignore it after it's sent to collections. It's not specific to the TV tax. The government neither set nor collects the TV tax, and has no control over what the financed media publishers do. Do you realize how silly it is to tell me how a system you hitherto didn't know about works by quoting something I wrote? Feel free…

" The government will put you in jail if you don't pay your gym membership or your parking fines and ignore it after it's sent to collections. It's not specific to the TV tax." So I can quit the contract if you like to?

" Do you realize how silly it is to tell me how a system you hitherto didn't know about works by quoting something I wrote? Feel free to check the source it cites for more context. " I do know how good the systems work. Maybe you should accept people can come to different conclusions. This like arguing with a conspiracy theorist.

Re: Public broadcasters want to reclaim online spaces with “Public Spaces Incubator”

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Post by nicbou »

snowpid wrote: post #65
nicbou wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government will put you in jail if you don't pay your gym membership or your parking fines and ignore it after it's sent to collections. It's not specific to the TV tax. The government neither set nor collects the TV tax, and has no control over what the financed media publishers do. Do you realize how silly it is to tell me how a system you hitherto didn't know about works by quoting something I wrote? Feel free…

" The government will put you in jail if you don't pay your gym membership or your parking fines and ignore it after it's sent to collections. It's not specific to the TV tax." So I can quit the contract if you like to? " Do you realize how silly it is to tell me how a system you hitherto didn't know about works by quoting something I wrote? Feel free to check the source it cites for more context. " I do know how goo…

Remember that the premise of this conversation is that ZDF is not government-run. That you are legally required to pay the TV tax has no bearing on that. The government neither collects nor allocates that money, and has no control over the broadcasters.

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Post by snowpid »

nicbou wrote: post #66
snowpid wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" The government will put you in jail if you don't pay your gym membership or your parking fines and ignore it after it's sent to collections. It's not specific to the TV tax." So I can quit the contract if you like to? " Do you realize how silly it is to tell me how a system you hitherto didn't know about works by quoting something I wrote? Feel free to check the source it cites for more context. " I do know how goo…

Remember that the premise of this conversation is that ZDF is not government-run. That you are legally required to pay the TV tax has no bearing on that. The government neither collects nor allocates that money, and has no control over the broadcasters.

It is govermental run. as it is no private institution, as I am forced to by the govermental and it is collected by govt agencies.

The only true thing that my parliament does not have any say but some obscure council with e.g. representatives from the church.

It is a shitty system with left bias news, shitty films and shitty tv shows. Only the left defends it fearing they might lose a powerful media institution.

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Post by LarryMullins »

germanier wrote: post #32
LarryMullins wrote: post #19

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"Non-government tax" is bullshit semantics. Any random organization cannot collect a tax unless a government has delegated special authority to that organization, thereby making that organization part of government. It's like saying "independent courts" aren't part of "the government" because the courts are "independent" and because elected politicians don't have the official authority to tell judges how cases should…

That's like saying anyone who owns property is a "part of the government" because "the government" has granted them special authority to enforce their property rights. In Germany, the right of those broadcasters to collect that fee is derived directly from the constitution, just like the right to own property is.

In a system where private property ownership is only specially delegated to a handful of people or organizations, those few privileged people or orgs ARE part of the government. In a system where everybody has that right by default, that's different.

An ostensibly independent organization that has been granted a special right to collect a tax is an example of the former, not the latter.

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