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Re: Public broadcasters want to reclaim online spaces with “Public Spaces Incubator”

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Post by floren »

908B64B197 wrote: post #4

Can we stop with the term "public-owned"? These aren't publicly traded companies (that anyone from the public can buy a stake into) but state-owned and operated broadcasters. Now, as to their objectives, I have no faith that these state media can or will be able to create spaces where the first amendment is preserved considering their poor track-record in the matter. [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29783…

Well, none of these state broadcasters are actually in the US, so they don't have to worry about the first amendment :)

But I do take your meaning.

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Post by germanier »

LarryMullins wrote: post #19
nicbou wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ZDF is not state-owned. It's an independent non-profit institution financed in part by the non-government TV tax.

"Non-government tax" is bullshit semantics. Any random organization cannot collect a tax unless a government has delegated special authority to that organization, thereby making that organization part of government. It's like saying "independent courts" aren't part of "the government" because the courts are "independent" and because elected politicians don't have the official authority to tell judges how cases should…

That's like saying anyone who owns property is a "part of the government" because "the government" has granted them special authority to enforce their property rights.

In Germany, the right of those broadcasters to collect that fee is derived directly from the constitution, just like the right to own property is.

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Post by hirundo »

> The new "Public Spaces Incubator" (PSI) initiative will develop and test innovative solutions that encourage accessible and meaningful online conversations on issues of public interest, free from harassment or bullying — inclusive exchanges that will reflect diverse viewpoints and promote greater empathy and understanding, without suppressing perspectives or ideas.

When ideas like racism and sexism are experienced as harassment, how is it possible to be both free of harassment and of the suppression of ideas?

I don't think it's possible. You have to tell people that they aren't really being harassed, or that their ideas aren't really being suppressed. And the interpretation of which is which cannot be objective.

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Post by germanier »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #29
quink wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it isn't. It means that the government doesn't control the funding (or lack of funding) for a public broadcaster. That's an important part of their independence. Also, it's not really a tax, it's a levy or fee.

No, that absolutely is a tax.

That's basically a language/cultural issue - in some places the semantics of the word "tax" are more narrowly defined than in others leading to discussions like these.

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Post by nsxwolf »

Maybe the problem is public engagement. 25 years ago I would get a newspaper in the morning to read on the train. If something made me really mad, I could write a letter to the editor. It probably wouldn't be selected for publication. I could read the handful of other letters to the editor that were published that day, and if anything those people had to say made me mad, well, this is my stop, time to go to work aaaaand I've forgotten all about that thing that made me mad.

Maybe we don't need this. At all.

Re: Public broadcasters want to reclaim online spaces with “Public Spaces Incubator”

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Post by vorpalhex »

syzarian wrote: post #30
version_five wrote: post #23

This is a joke. I don't know about the other broadcasters, but Canada's CBC is the propaganda organ of the liberal party and only allows an ultra-narrow ideological viewpoint. This will be the opposite of inclusive, it will just be a woke echo chamber.

What you say here is what someone who has extreme or fringe political views would say. I don’t know if you do have such views but it might be worth considering what it means or how it comes across to others to say things such people say. It’s hard to believe they only allow an ultra narrow viewpoint. It’s not like the liberal party is always the one in power in Canada.

The CBC is well noted for how extreme of a bias it has, especially compared to other public broadcasters such as BBC or PBS.

Most public broadcasters lean a bit left but are somewhere in the median. CBC is not.

Being a public broadcaster does not exempt you from criticism.

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Post by syzarian »

vorpalhex wrote: post #36
syzarian wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you say here is what someone who has extreme or fringe political views would say. I don’t know if you do have such views but it might be worth considering what it means or how it comes across to others to say things such people say. It’s hard to believe they only allow an ultra narrow viewpoint. It’s not like the liberal party is always the one in power in Canada.

The CBC is well noted for how extreme of a bias it has, especially compared to other public broadcasters such as BBC or PBS. Most public broadcasters lean a bit left but are somewhere in the median. CBC is not. Being a public broadcaster does not exempt you from criticism.

Definitely doesn’t exempt one from scrutiny or criticism. But I find it hard to believe that they only allow an ultra narrow viewpoint. I don’t watch television news so I realize I could be completely wrong.

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Post by [deleted] »

logicalmonster wrote: post #28

> free from harassment or bullying Hope springs eternal, but color me skeptical that any speech that is inconvenient to those with authority doesn't instantly get labelled as cyberbullying and shut down. The only way to guarantee freedom of speech is to acknowledge that some people are going to get their knickers in a twist when they see some of the comments, and there's nothing that can be done about that.

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Re: Public broadcasters want to reclaim online spaces with “Public Spaces Incubator”

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Post by AlbertCory »

Translation: We're going to be short, yet tall. Blue-eyed, yet brown-eyed. Right-handed, yet left-handed.

> Online spaces that are free from disinformation, misinformation, harassment and abuse are near extinction. The social media environment has splintered into so many echo chambers that exclude diversity of opinion, discourage debate and silence dissent.

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