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Public broadcasters want to reclaim online spaces with “Public Spaces Incubator”

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Re: Public broadcasters want to reclaim online spaces with “Public Spaces Incubator”

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Post by uniqueuid »

wyager wrote: post #6

> The new "Public Spaces Incubator" (PSI) initiative will develop and test innovative solutions that encourage accessible and meaningful online conversations on issues of public interest, free from harassment or bullying — inclusive exchanges that will reflect diverse viewpoints and promote greater empathy and understanding, without suppressing perspectives or ideas. > "Online spaces that are free from disinformation…

European countries' media systems are very different from the US and your conclusions are not really valid.

The ZDF, one of these PSBs, reaches an average of 5 million people daily on TV, which accounts to >10% of the German TV audience, and it has an online reach of >100 million monthly visits which also makes it one of the top news sources online. Their audience leans towards elderly segments, but it's still a huge chunk of the market, however you may define it.

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Post by quink »

quirk wrote: post #2

>Public broadcasters* want to reclaim online spaces with “Public Spaces Incubator” * Government broadcasters

If you're talking about whether they're under the executive or financial control of a single (or small number of) ruling councils outside themselves:

* CBC, RTBF, yes

* SRG SSR, hell no

* ZDF, not really

Either way, all of them have editorial independence.

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Post by quink »

908B64B197 wrote: post #4

Can we stop with the term "public-owned"? These aren't publicly traded companies (that anyone from the public can buy a stake into) but state-owned and operated broadcasters. Now, as to their objectives, I have no faith that these state media can or will be able to create spaces where the first amendment is preserved considering their poor track-record in the matter. [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29783…

SRG SSR is not in any sense owned or operated by the Swiss Confederation or any Swiss canton.

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Post by uniqueuid »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #12

They'll study this forever, but they'll never add a comment section to their websites.

Wrong, ARD, the second largest German PSB has had a very lively comment section for ages [1].

Part of the reluctance in setting up comment sections in general is that media orgs are liable for postings there and manual moderation costs a lot of money, unless you outsource that to underpaid, traumatized semi-slaves as Facebook does.

[1] https://meta.tagesschau.de/

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Post by CogitoCogito »

nicbou wrote: post #9
quirk wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh that's interesting. I just assumed. Sorry! So who collects the tax?

This is an explainer I wrote for immigrants: https://allaboutberlin.com/guides/gez-rundfunkbeitrag If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Perhaps I need to make improvements to the text. Sometimes you've been around for so long that you forget what confuses people.

Judging by that link I guess they changed it to everyone pays instead of just those with TVs? When I lived in Berlin twenty years ago, I remember TV tax enforcers would go door to door to try to find people with TVs without paying the tax. The advice I was given by Berliners was basically never to talk to random strangers coming to the door...not surprised they would change the system.

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Post by quirk »

nicbou wrote: post #9
quirk wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh that's interesting. I just assumed. Sorry! So who collects the tax?

This is an explainer I wrote for immigrants: https://allaboutberlin.com/guides/gez-rundfunkbeitrag If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Perhaps I need to make improvements to the text. Sometimes you've been around for so long that you forget what confuses people.

Totally fascinating. Thank you!

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Post by quink »

wyager wrote: post #6

> The new "Public Spaces Incubator" (PSI) initiative will develop and test innovative solutions that encourage accessible and meaningful online conversations on issues of public interest, free from harassment or bullying — inclusive exchanges that will reflect diverse viewpoints and promote greater empathy and understanding, without suppressing perspectives or ideas. > "Online spaces that are free from disinformation…

SRG SSR has a daily radio audience market share of 43%, and 34% for television.

> censored comment sections

Hacker News has censored comment sections, why are you even here if it's such a dealbreaker?

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Post by LarryMullins »

nicbou wrote: post #7
908B64B197 wrote: post #4

Can we stop with the term "public-owned"? These aren't publicly traded companies (that anyone from the public can buy a stake into) but state-owned and operated broadcasters. Now, as to their objectives, I have no faith that these state media can or will be able to create spaces where the first amendment is preserved considering their poor track-record in the matter. [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29783…

ZDF is not state-owned. It's an independent non-profit institution financed in part by the non-government TV tax.

"Non-government tax" is bullshit semantics. Any random organization cannot collect a tax unless a government has delegated special authority to that organization, thereby making that organization part of government.

It's like saying "independent courts" aren't part of "the government" because the courts are "independent" and because elected politicians don't have the official authority to tell judges how cases should be decided. Semantics. The courts are a branch of government.

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Post by quink »

LarryMullins wrote: post #19
nicbou wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ZDF is not state-owned. It's an independent non-profit institution financed in part by the non-government TV tax.

"Non-government tax" is bullshit semantics. Any random organization cannot collect a tax unless a government has delegated special authority to that organization, thereby making that organization part of government. It's like saying "independent courts" aren't part of "the government" because the courts are "independent" and because elected politicians don't have the official authority to tell judges how cases should…

No it isn't. It means that the government doesn't control the funding (or lack of funding) for a public broadcaster.

That's an important part of their independence.

Also, it's not really a tax, it's a levy or fee.

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