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Ah, right. I missed this nuance in the debate. In which case I wholeheartedly approve.
You approve of having to have two charging ports in one smartphone?
Maybe, but will it be so small to make two ports cumbersome? Doubtful imo
I wonder if other companies will follow Apple in crippling USB-C. https://www.xda-developers.com/iphone-15-models-different-us...
It's apparently still par for the course in cheaper laptops, like having USB-C ports without Thunderbolt or without Display Port alt mode. I'm more surprised Apple didn't just remove the connector from the cheaper models, claiming inductive charging and bluetooth are all anyone needs.
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Mandating standards by laws isn't progress. It holds the future back. This and the EU will be looked back on as a disastrous piece of legislation in the future. It's amazing how nearsighted these governments are being. Standards are universally created by industry organically, not created by governments.
This organic standard has failed completely. I have to serve five different charging ports (Magsafe, Lightning, USB C, micro USB, and some proprietary thing for my watch). The watch charger only comes with an USB A cable, so now either I need an extra dongle or two charging bricks. USB C was introduced in 2014 and really came about in 2016. These companies had six+ years to converge on something reasonable. But they…
Or that the standard that could have happened, never does. We can never know what future we could have had if not for actions in the past.
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Mandating standards by laws isn't progress. It holds the future back. This and the EU will be looked back on as a disastrous piece of legislation in the future. It's amazing how nearsighted these governments are being. Standards are universally created by industry organically, not created by governments.
The EU law explicitly includes a provision that it must be reviewed every few years to keep up with industry progress. It previously mandated Micro USB, and now it mandates USB-C. It's not a law which says "the industry must use connector X", but a law which says "the industry must standardize on a single connector" - which is exactly what you seem to be asking for.
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Why would that be a problem at all? If a significant advance in charging connectors is made, they can simply amend the law. These laws don't say you can't make better chargers, they say if you make a mass produced device from the provided categories and it's going to charge by cable you will need to make sure that it has at least one USB-C charging port. Besides, this is only in EU(and India now). Sure, there's a Bru…
>If a significant advance in charging connectors is made, they can simply amend the law. How would the makers of these laws know this? How would you determine the quality of a connector if you do not have benchmarks like manufacturer adoption, market demand, longevity in the field? What will effectively happen is that the USB implementers forum will become a state(s) sponsored organization with a monopoly on defining…
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The EU is watching the USB-IF for further improvements. Currently it is limited to 100 Watt and common devices like latops and smartphones. And they're watching wireless-charging already. If Apple or some of the other usual suspects (Microsoft, Amazon, Google) tries to push a proprietary technology the can act hopefully quicker. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/QANDA_... I'm still looking for the…
I think it is disingenous to compare USB-C to power plugs. USB-C does a million more things than power delivery and there is significantly more room for innovation. > Nobody prevents any manufacturer to add additional charging ports. Except for market demands of smaller phones. My question to you is: would you have wanted micro-USB to be standardized like this?
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Mandating standards by laws isn't progress. It holds the future back. This and the EU will be looked back on as a disastrous piece of legislation in the future. It's amazing how nearsighted these governments are being. Standards are universally created by industry organically, not created by governments.
I guess you're a believer in this "invisible hand" cult.
The only disagreement is in how much of an effect it has.
With USB-C the fragile part (male plug) of the connector is in the phone. While the lightening port weakest part is on the cable. From purely a physical standpoint I much prefer a lightening cable.
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This is also my problem with this legislation. There is legitimate innovation in connector design. Surely people remember micro USB cables, which weren't really that good. I certainly never would have wanted them to become a mandated standard. While I think USB-C is quite well designed, this legislation makes it extremely hard for a superior standard to arise. The only reason USB-C has any grounds to be a mandated st…
Micro USB was the EU standard, you already lived through that. That's why every Android and gadget out there used it, as opposed to 50 other connectors before that on feature phones. Apple found a loophole around it by shipping a dongle with iPhones. With the update to the standard that loophole was closed.
It was literally the EU saying "hey guys, please use micro-B on your phone" (with an implicit threat that actual legislation may follow if you don't).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply
I've always thought that purely from a physical engineering standpoint the lightening port made more sense. With USB-C the fragile part (male plug) of the connector is in the phone. While the lightening port weakest part is on the cable. From purely a physical standpoint I much prefer a lightening cable.
AFAIK, the fragile part of the connector is actually the springs (which also weaken with every insertion/removal cycle). With lightning and USB-A, the springs are in the device. With USB-C, the springs are in the cable.